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rodgernbama

12-16-2007 19:38:36

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I went to look at a small farm with house on it the other day. Agent told me some low life took all the breakers out of the box a striped the wiring out. I noticed the receptacles were still intact but several light fixtures are missing. They also stole the hw heater. The house is about 1200 square feet. Anybody got an idea what it would cost to have it rewired with new 200 amp breaker box?

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Logan in S.E. Texas

12-19-2007 00:47:44

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Re: Wiring- HELP? in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

I am wanting to wire my shop, 30'X50'x12'. Neighborhood contractor quoted me a "neighbor" price of $2000.00 for 8- 4' long flourecent lights, 12-15- 120V plugs, some on the exterior, one 50 amp plug for cracker box welder and 2-3 switches to control lights. That was exactly double of what I wanted to spend..... oh and a 220V service coming out to go to well pump, want to get it's power supply out of the house.

I have NO knowledge OR skill with electrical wiring, can a book from Lowes really get me through this project SAFELY???

I have some other people to get bids from but.....unless they come in at or below $1500.00 I really can't afford it....or at least don't want to spend that much.

What book would y'all suggest? And any other advice you care to offer is most welcome....TIA

Logan

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Dave Sherburne NY

12-17-2007 14:40:07

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

I just bought 250 ft. of 12/2 $57
I think 100ft was $37. Probably best to buy 1000 if you think you will use it up. It sure ain't going
down in price,

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Old Ford Mechanic

12-17-2007 07:56:11

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

Roger John T.is correct.You should check with a reputable building contractor or electrical contractor and let them educate you on the residential wiring codes for the county in which the house is located.If you can't get an answer from them go directly to your Electrical Co-opertive and their Engineer can show you their code.They also may want you to have a licensed inspector look at it at various times during the job.Your insurance company may also require this.The enforcement of building codes has gotten much stricter in the last few years here in Alabama.Also the Health Dept. has gotten involved also.They work or least use to work with the Electricity Dept. on their inspections.In other words no septic tank inspection no electricity.Reguardless of who does the work do your planning upfront.You want too be sure you can get a meter installed when the wiring job is completed.

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John T

12-17-2007 07:25:27

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

Roger, if you can do it yourself depends on your local authority cuz some places require a lisenced electricians yet others may let you do it subject to their inspections AND YOU WILL SAVE ABOUT HALF IF YOU DO IT YOURSELF. Id suggest you get 2 or 3 free estimates and go from there.....

I would plan on the use of AFCI protected circuits for each bedroom,,,,, ,,,,,Of course GFCI protection for each bathroom,,,,, ,,,and AT LEAST FOUR 20 AMP BRANCH CIRCUITS FOR THE KITCHEN one dedicated for microwave, one dedicated for fridge, at least two circuits for other appliances including GFCI kitchen protection where required. I would use 12 gauge wire on 20 amp branch circuits and 20 amp rated receptacles due to their higher rating and quality. Of course, an electric stove and hot water heaters and heating/cooling branch circuits have their own requirements.

Make sure that proper grounding and bonding is adhered to at the service entrance and/or the meter base as required by the utility, and dont worry, the will NOT approve it until it is

John T, Retired Electrical Engineer

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the tractor vet

12-17-2007 07:03:40

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

When i rewired my old house i could not find any electrial contractor that would do it as all of them around here wanted nothing to do with a rewire on this old house. so i did it myself all but the main tie in . The biggest mistake i made was buying all my wire in 250 foot rolls found this out after i was done . What i should have done was go to a electrial suppy house and bought on the 1000 foot rolls and at the time it would have come out at 50 % less then buying it at the big box stores along with everything else . I put every room on it's owen breaker and run two breakers to the kitchen but now i need to run two more to the kitchen also ran three spares up into the attic for future use . Now that i have started playen with wood working need to take the time to add several more breakers and plugs . One can never have enough plugs. Did most of this work 20 years ago and this place has not burned down yet DARN.

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El Toro

12-17-2007 04:10:03

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

Find yourself a relative or friend that's a licensed electrician get them to help you. They can guide you thru the procedure. Now would be the time to add more receptacles and light switches. Let them make the inspections of your wiring and let them make the final connections. I would identify all your wires so you know where they went and then this can be put on your breaker box door. Hal

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old_bc

12-16-2007 21:16:44

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

I just had our 100 year old house rewired this month. The cost of the meter loop, breakerbox, breakers, outlets, wire, etc. was a tad over $1300.00. I haven't gotten the bill for the labor yet but I expect it to be about $1200.00.
old_bc

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huntingreen

12-16-2007 20:42:18

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

Wire is a whole lot cheaper in 250 ft rolls. If you are going to attempt it on your own at least buy a book and read it. Lowes has those books also. There is more to correct wirrig than breaker and wire sizing.

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rwp

12-16-2007 20:28:11

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Re: wiring in reply to rodgernbama, 12-16-2007 19:38:36

Go to Home Depot or Lowes, look at their prices for the 200 amp boxes, count your light fixtures and get that price. The wire comes in 50 or 100 ft rolls, you have an option of what you want. Your lights you will want to hook up to 14 amp wire with ground. If any of your receptacles need 20 amp, you will want 20 amp wire. You can get these boxes with as many circuit breakers as you want and you will want to know how much each breaker costs. This is what I would want to do if I was doing it myself as a homeowner. They will require that you get a permit. If you are having an electrical contractor doing this wiring, let him come in and give you an estimate, but that is costly. I have two brothers that are electricians, but I still do my own wiring (sometimes with their advice). So you may want to call on a couple electricians (friends) and do it yourself. Remember there is a safety factor involved here and always make sure you are not working under live power.

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Old Ford Mechanic

12-17-2007 07:30:27

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Re: wiring in reply to rwp, 12-16-2007 20:28:11

No No No,All your your 110 voltage should be through 12/2 wire.And all your 220 runs like for the well pump and hot water heater should be through 10/2 wire.Heat pumps,ranges and dryers should be on heavier wire such as #6.And by all means use copper wire.Thats one of the reasons so many homes burn to the ground,they use wire that is too light for the load they carry.Never use 14/3 wire in a structure that someone is going to sleep in.You may as well play Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun.ROGER,where are you located in Bama,i know someone who can help you.Gut the # of rooms,plugs and description of appliances you want wired,total sq.ft.in the house,ect and shoot me an e-mail.I can get you a ballpark estimate on material.And labor too if you need it.I am located in North Al.

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shannon from ohio

12-17-2007 15:30:12

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Re: wiring in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 12-17-2007 07:30:27

Only thing to remember if you use 14 ga wire,Don't run it long distances because of the voltage drop and resulting heating up of the wire if current draw is at its max (13 to 15 amps) ""This is what causes houses to burn to the ground""

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Kansas Cockshutt

12-17-2007 11:36:32

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Re: wiring in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 12-17-2007 07:30:27

There is nothing wrong with 14 gauge on lighting circuits. What is the ampacities on a solid copper 14 gauge wire? Enough to handle a few lights or a fan? I think so! Don"t scare people into buying 12/3 for a whole lotta more dollars when it is unnecessary.

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Old Ford Mechanic

12-17-2007 12:16:11

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Re: wiring in reply to Kansas Cockshutt, 12-17-2007 11:36:32

I respect your comments as i do everyones but,yes lighting circuits are one thing.However most circuits also have plugs included in the run.And most small appliances pull too much current to use that size wire.Proper sized breakers help but,many get changed when they start tripping when small heaters ect.are used.The extra cost of larger wire should not be considerd when lives are at stake.I stand by my earlier post use 12/2 wire on all 110 volt runs.

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Kansas Cockshutt

12-18-2007 06:34:52

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Re: wiring in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 12-17-2007 12:16:11

Well at least we were not talking about loading tractor tires with calcium :-p

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John T

12-17-2007 12:02:00

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Re: wiring in reply to Kansas Cockshutt, 12-17-2007 11:36:32

Youre right, Provided a 14 gauge wire branch circuit is protected by a 15 amp circuit breaker and furher provided theres no "continuous load" over 12 amps, it is ceratinly permissible. I think the reason many designers or electricians shy away from it (and theres certainly no problem in overdesign or allowing for expansion) is so additions might be made and theres still sufficient ampacity. The NEC is basically for the MINIMUM and theres no harm in a lil reasonable over kill. I didnt spec many 15 amp branch circuits when I was a designer but working for the government it was your tax dollars (and mine) that paid the bill.....

If I was designing a lighting ONLY branch circuit and its use and location was such that additions were never likely and there were no other convenience useage, I wouldnt have any problem specifying a 15 amp circuit.

Yall keep safe now

John T

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RustyFarmall

12-17-2007 11:55:24

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Re: wiring in reply to Kansas Cockshutt, 12-17-2007 11:36:32

The difference in the price between #12 and #14 is very minimal. If you use #12, you're good to go with just about any appliance you want to plug in. #14 is good only for lighting circuits, and most of your lights are an extension of the wiring that goes to the outlets.

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Slowpoke

12-20-2007 23:54:39

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Re: wiring in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-17-2007 11:55:24

I disagree. Lighting should not be an extention of receptical circuits. Keep them separate.

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John T

12-17-2007 12:08:28

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Re: wiring in reply to RustyFarmall, 12-17-2007 11:55:24

Rusty, I have seen that wiring system in a ton of residential applications where convenience outlets and lighting were on a common branch circuit buttttt ttt I never designed any that way myself. My teacher and engineering mentor was an old safety concsious conservative who taught me if youre sittin there at night working on something which trips a breaker THE LAST THING YOU NEED IS FOR THE LIGHTS TO GO OUT ALSO. Makes sense, but as we both realize its done like you mentionEd

Yall keep safe n warm now hear

John T

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