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BobOHIO

12-15-2007 16:02:18




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I've got a 79 Chevy 4X4 truck with a 350 and 4 bbl carb standard transmission. The front hubs are lock out and new. My problem is it is getting about 6 mpg. The truck runs good. No gas leaks, vacuum leaks, choke is open, plugs look good, etc. Has new brake calipers on front and rear brakes aren't dragging. It has no computer of any kind. I can't think of any reason for the mileage being so bad. A semi truck loaded gets this good. Thanks for any ideas you may have. Bob

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BobOHIO

12-17-2007 15:24:45




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Thanks Skip and Trucker. I am printing off all replies so I'll have them at the truck. I have a vacuum gauge and will check intake for leaks. If the distributor advance/springs were sticking in there would the truck still run OK? It is a stock 350 I think 175 hp from the factory? We
have had this truck since new in 1979. Rebuilt the motor complete in 1993. It never got great mileage but better than now. Thanks again. Bob

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trucker40

12-17-2007 20:08:43




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-17-2007 15:24:45  
After thinking about it some more-Skip said 15 mpg with a 69 3/4 ton with big gears.I had a 64 Chevelle With a 327 and it would get about 14 mpg with double hump heads,cant remember what horsepower that was,325 horsepower or more.I think the gears were 390 in that car.Thats been a long time ago,had L60 15 tires on back,drove everywhere 100+ miles per hour,4 speed transmission,headers,not much mufflers if any,dual point distributer.I know when I got that car I put new headers and Cherry Bomb mufflers on it and gas mileage got better,had high compression,burned ethel gas.That was in the early 70s,dont remember what all was done to motor or what cam,but I beat a 440 GTX with a automatic 2 out of 3 in the quarter mile.Had a 67 Chevy pickup with an inline 6 cylinder,top speed was about 80,think it was 456 gears.Got worse fuel mileage than Chevelle,it only had 1 or 2 barrel carb,Chevelle had 4 barrel Holley.I had a 72 Buick with a 2 barrel Rochester carb, 350 and it got worse gas mileage than the Chevelle about 10.Quadrajets did seem to get a little better mileage than a 2 barrel if you kept your foot out of it.Holleys were better if you kept your foot out of it,than Quadrajets overall because a wore out quadrajet will guzzle gas. The older cars had bigger valves,little if any smog stuff,way more horsepower,and if you carefully pick your parts,with new technology heads,cam,carb,trans,and with more power Higher rear end gears,to an extent,you could get lots better mileage.If you just kind of slap some parts together,it could be worse gas mileage. My guess is its a cam like a RV cam,with roller lifters,a little hotter than stock,or some Z 28 cam.You want power,but you dont want to run stock car races with a front wheel off the ground either.I say roller lifters because what you can do to cut friction in cam area means it winds up quicker,getting to shift sooner.Thats just kind of a drivability thing cause all these new little cars scream away from a stop lite.Less friction equals better driveability,more mpg. I dont remember much more(getting old)but the trick is in how much power you have for the gas you put in.If you can get 350 horsepower out of 350 cubic inches means when you are driving down the road 100+ mph,your foot is not as close to the floor on the gas pedal than if you have a 350 ci motor 170 hp.Foot not as close to floor=better gas milage.Sort of how my cave man mechanical brain thinks. If your mechanical advance is stuck,or even dont swing fast enough,it wont have any power.That cuts your total timing by a bunch,which if its supposed to have 170,now it may be 120 horsepower or less.That would have to hurt the heck out of fuel mileage. I think I remember,but may be wrong,that if those weights are stuck it will be real doggy,kind of buck and spit,especially if its cold.If nobody thought to check them might have been that way a long time,even since you rebuilt it. I enjoyed trying to answer your question,thought I had forgot all that stuff,but I see I didnt forget everything I learned trying to make a living as a mechanic years ago. I drove an old gas burning dump truck for the county for a while.All of them were alike,late 70s chevys with same size bed,same tires,everything.I didnt allways drive the same truck,some of them would haul 7 loads a day,some 6 to the same place.If I was driving the blue one I would pass the others,if sombody else drove it they would pass the rest of us.With everything the same,I think it had to be higher geared.The way I see it,if you start your car,drive to your destination,and it takes 10 minutes you shut it off.You change your gear ratio,it now takes 9 minutes,and you dont drive over the speed limit either way,you are saving fuel,Thats why overdrive gears get better fuel mileage. A lot depends on what you do with a vehicle.If you just barely can pull what you are trying to pull,lower gears could help fuel mileage.If your gear is so high you have to downshift to pull hills on the interstate,you could have bad fuel mileage,need lower gears.If you are strainin to do the speed limit winding out your motor all the time,bad gas mileage,need higher gears. If after all this,mileage is still bad,push clutch in and coast everywhere you can,see if you can get people to tow you whenever possible,with 3 dollar a gallon gas you need all the help you can get.

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Ry

12-17-2007 15:43:42




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-17-2007 15:24:45  
If the mechanical advance is stuck you will most likely have no power under full throttle at higher rpm. The engine will just seem to go dead at higher rpm. Most shadetree mechanics think the "Valves are Floatin'"



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skip33652

12-16-2007 15:04:48




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
old hei distributers have a tendancy to stick the mechanical advance. check with timing light I like those chevy's to have about 35 + degrees mechanicl timing plus about 12 or 14 vacum.if you are running really lean maybe a bit less mechanicl and more vacum. I have better luck with lower ( higher number) gears in these older pickups. My dad has a 1979 with 3.42"s gets terrible milage 9-10. 235-15 tires. the 1969 3/4 ton has gotten 15 if you baby it and it has 4.56 gears and 235-85-16 tires
the 1978 with a roller cam 454 and 33 x12.50 15's is a ball to drive but rarely got 10mpg and was easily capable of 2.Paul

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trucker40

12-16-2007 14:17:55




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Chevys like exhaust to be open.Headers help gas mileage and power,Those old stock heads could be restricting it a lot,you want as big of valves as you can get. My idea,and I could be wrong is the more power you can get out of it and not go too far,the better gas mileage. Those newer 1985 motors with high nickel last a lot longer most usually,dont leak as bad,and keep better compression than the old ones.Plus if you use moly rings I think they are called,have less resistance.Instead of digging into the block like the old ones,the cylinders stay round longer and the rings ride on the walls instead of digging into the walls. Since its a 1979 you may not even need a catalytic converter on it,or even a smog pump.
If you live in the country you wouldnt maybe.Also it might be set to run on regular gas,which was more octane than you even can find now. Those full time 4wd chevys never did get very good mileage back then,it ought to be 10 on the highway at least though. Another thing,you can take a can of ether and spray along the intake where it bolts to the heads to see if thats leaking.It will rev up if it sniffs the ether.Probly you can take a 9/16s wrench and tighten most of the intake bolts.That vacuum advance thing in the distributor goes bad a lot of times.The springs that hold the weights in the distributor may be the wrong ones or gone,that would hurt it.The damper on the exhaust manifold might be stuck partly shut.The plug wires might be them high resistance kind and its not getting real good spark,but you said plugs look good. I bet if you get to investigating this is a real low horsepower 350.Some of them smog heads were real bad,and that might be some of its trouble.A 4wd with 150 horsepower is not too good.I could be wrong about this,but I used to work on those 4wd chevys back in the late 70s and they didnt have lots of power as I remember it.

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trucker40

12-16-2007 13:14:57




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Geared low,tires probly need air in them,lots of things could be.Dont say if its 3/4 ton,that would make it lower geared. Those spark plugs with 2 electrodes or a v electrode help a little.Maybe you wind it out every time you shift?You can kind of shift progressively,like wind it out some in 2nd,not as much in 3rd,get 4th quicker.Dont downshift unless absolutely necessary,stay off the brakes.All that might get you 8 or 9.Then go to a junk yard and see if you can find some higher gears.Then go to auto parts store buy Edelbrock intake and 600 cfm Edelbrock carb and a set of headers,and a vacuum gauge.Set timing with vacuum gauge its as good as it gets.Maybe look around for a newer transmission if newer trucks have say a 5 speed thats an overdrive. All that and you could get maybe 17 or better.
Then you could do lots of homework,pull motor,rebuild with right pistons,cam,roller lifters new better designed heads and maybe get 20 or better.Thats probly downhill with the wind behind you.I also saw on Mythbusters that it hurts your fuel mileage if you drive around with your tailgate down..
Camper shell probly helps.Besides all that,theres all kinds of different tires,get ones that roll easy as you can use.When you do homework on motor that you rebuild get a 350 block thats 1985 or newer high nickel content,build it to run on ethanol or gas.The newer blocks dont wear as bad as the old ones and use good rings(more money)that right there is probly good for a few miles per gallon. By now youve spent lots of money,but its still probly less than one of the newer pain in the a-- electronic ones.

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BobOHIO

12-16-2007 13:08:20




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Thanks for the info. It has stock tires 15" and I don't hot rod it. Open the big secondaries and it will drink the gas but I don't do that. I did put an Edelbrock carb on it like the Q-jet a couple of years ago. It was brand new carb. I pulled the plugs and thought they would be fouled but looked good. I couldnt find any vacuum lines off and choke was open when hot. Thanks for the ideas. I'll keep looking but not today, were in the middle of a snow storm here.
Thanks again, Bob

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Tedoh

12-16-2007 08:52:57




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
I have a '79 k10 4x4 with a 350, Q-Jet, 350 turbo automatic. I installed manual hubs and lockout kit in transfer case. On the last 200 mile highway trip I got 12 mpg. Around home it gets about 10. Dependable old truck. Just can't hardly afford to drive it anymore. Ted.



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1206SWMO

12-16-2007 08:14:05




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
I bought a brand new 1979 Chev K-30 4x4 with a 350 and a 4 speed.It got 11-12 mpg empty and 6-8 mpg pulling a loaded 24' gooseneck trailer.

You have a problem.



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RickL

12-16-2007 06:00:35




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
I had same truck I bought new and yea it never did get above 7. tranny went out of it at less than 30000 miles also only time I ever had a chevy pickup. Never again



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circus

12-16-2007 07:48:46




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to RickL, 12-16-2007 06:00:35  
They also rotted out in two years. I bought mine when it was 3 years old for $250. Still runs but it's thirsty.



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circus

12-16-2007 05:27:39




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Repeating prior coments. Do a major tune up. exhaust analysis, distributor advance while applying vacuum and rpm, compression, etc. Max out tire pressure. Toss the 36" tires. You should get milage in the low teens.



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buickanddeere

12-16-2007 03:15:07




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Time to trade for a 2007 something 4x4. Mileage will be in the teens.



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36 coupe

12-16-2007 01:45:34




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
I bought a 77 chevy 3/4 ton from a fellow who complained about poor gas milage.I found the float was sinking and the vacuum advance wasnt working.The choke wasnt pulling off all the way.If I drove around 45 mph the truck got 16 18 mpg.If you play lead foot and drive at 65 mph you will use plenty of gas.Do a careful milage check.Fill it up run it 100 miles and fill it again.My 96 ford 4wd got 19.3 mpg on this test.350 v8 AT with overdrive driven at 45 50 mph.The transmission shifts in to over drive at 45 mph.The carb you have has two plugs in the bottom of the fuel bowl the are prone to leak, O ring failure.Carb book I have says seal the plugs with Duro cement.Tip off to this problem,the trucks cranks longer if its idle for 2 or 3 days.Gas drips into the manifold and evaporates.Fuel bowl has to refill before engine will start.

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frankiee

12-15-2007 19:57:32




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
I ran across a case where the solenoid Shaft was crooked across the main high amperage terminals.
It was a friends truck and it ran bad but we never looked into it. One day it would not start so I dug around and found the solenoid plunger sideways (sort of)
We replaced the solenoid
Truck ran good after and got good fuel economy
Not that your truck has that wrong with it.
BUT
Problems can be in strange places.
Take it in and put a scope on it maybe

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Fancy Farm

12-15-2007 19:02:40




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Had one like that one time thought about putting a gate valve on the gas line and closing it down.



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Ry

12-15-2007 18:09:13




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Might check the vaccum advance, and when you drive try not to get into the secondaries on the carb - when you open up those big back barrels on the Rochester they will dump a lot of fuel. Also be aware that leaving the engine idle will use a lot more fuel than you think. Also make sure the idle screws are properly set - because when you decelerate especially when you downshift the high vaccum in the intake will pull a lot of fuel through the idle circuit.

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Ry

12-16-2007 06:12:10




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to Ry, 12-15-2007 18:09:13  
I wanted to add - I built up a 67 Chevy pickup half ton 4x4 with a later model 350 and 4speed manual, same transmission you have in yours - small 4 barrel holley, RV cam, 4.11 gears and 33 inch tires. I can get 13 to 14 with it if I keep it at 55. But I do not drive it much anymore.



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Old Ford Mechanic

12-15-2007 17:33:32




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Geared low i would imagine,In spite of my username i was a Chevy nut until just a few years back.The small block Chevy engines with the Rodchester Quadrajets all kinda loved gas.Dropped in a 4WD with anything lower than say a 355 gear and they stopped at every pump they saw.They did'nt get much better until the throttle body injection came out in the late eighties.I would look for black smoke a sign of rich fuel or choke not operating correctly.Quadrajets got a bad name but,maintained properly were good carbs.Biggest problems were heavy floats and choke pulloffs.Also make sure the vacum advance on the distributor is working and the ignition timing is set correctly.Carbs take kindly to rebuild but only if you get them super clean and replace all the parts.That includes a new float.You also said it had new lockouts on the front hubs,what about the transfer case? Does it have the kit to keep the front drivshaft from turning?My last Chevy was a 94 Silverado 4x4.19 MPH on the interstate,less by a couple around town.209.000 on the odometer when i turned it loose.Bought it new and had to wait a couple of months on it.They were selling so fast here in late 93 that the dealers had to wait on them.Got the deisel bug after that one.Maybe you can find an older GM mechanic to help on yours.

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MarkB_MI

12-15-2007 17:27:39




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Anytime someone says "4X4", I think "big tires". Check your odometer against a measured mile.



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shawnspeed3

12-15-2007 17:19:51




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
It doesen't happen to have an edelbrock 1405 or similar carter AFB on it does it????I just installed one and had similar results .....until I intalled a fuel pressure regulator. Seems these carbs don't like over 5 1/2 lbs. of fuel pressure and the stock pump is supposed to have between 6-12 lbs. if it is the stock carb or a holly, I would start looking at a rebuild ,and looking for vaccum leaks...good luck Shawn

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onefarmer

12-15-2007 16:11:33




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
What are the rearend gears 4:10 or higher, carb need a rebuild, someone put in a big cam, big fat tires, plugged cat converter, performance driving. These are just some things that will affect mpgs.



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dave guest

12-15-2007 16:09:20




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 Re: OT gas mileage problem in reply to BobOHIO, 12-15-2007 16:02:18  
Late timing, cold weather, bad driver, is trans shifting into top gear, ok. If you have real big tires, maybe your odometer is lying. Has it ever done better?



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