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Cast Iron or Cast Steel?

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Fawteen

12-15-2007 07:37:52




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I'm tearing apart an old F12 transmission tub for recycling.

Is there a quick way to tell cast steel from cast iron? Or, does anyone know offhand if the bearing carriers are iron or steel?

I'm assuming all the gears and shafts are steel.




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chuck davis

12-15-2007 15:23:35




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Fawteen, 12-15-2007 07:37:52  
Take a grinder to it. Cast iron will spark a dull reddish color with little sparklers mixed in. Cast steel and regular boiler plate will have a much brighter yellow spark with no sparklers. The difference is unmistakable.



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Bob - MI

12-15-2007 09:05:02




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Fawteen, 12-15-2007 07:37:52  
Shafts and gears are definately steel. Housings are more likely cast iron. Drilling as mentioned is good. Filing also works well with iron shavings being powdery. You can look at the parts on the machined surfaces and most times see smooth surfaces on steel parts. Iron castings will have very fine pitting.

Larger housings are more likely to be cast iron due to alloy cost and ease of casting. Iron is less expensive than steel and the pouring temperatures are about 20% less than steel alloys. Iron also flows easily and this makes the castings easier to pour and process after casting. Gates and risers can be knocked off with iron but must be cut with steel.

Call your recycler before you go and ask him if they have a portable spectrometer. If so they can just zap the part and the chemistry will be easily and accuratately determined. It takes less than 30 seconds. This protects you and him as well by being able to properly segregate alloy types.

You may have guessed but I work in the foundry business and have a fair amount of experience with alloy recycling.

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Fawteen

12-15-2007 12:18:33




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Bob - MI, 12-15-2007 09:05:02  
Good info there, Bob, thanks!



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L A

12-15-2007 08:29:37




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Fawteen, 12-15-2007 07:37:52  
use a cutting torch . cast steel will cut cast iron won't L.A.



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Fawteen

12-15-2007 08:37:01




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to L A, 12-15-2007 08:29:37  
That makes sense.

Also read about a drill test, steel will make shavings, iron will make powder.

Thanks!



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Don-Wi

12-16-2007 00:33:31




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Fawteen, 12-15-2007 08:37:01  
I'll vote grinder test. Cast iron gives off the redder spark w/ sparklers in it too, where the sparks from steel are much yellower and don't have any sparklers on the tails.

Pretty easy to tell and doesn't involve much skill.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Gerald J.

12-15-2007 07:47:10




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 Re: Cast Iron or Cast Steel? in reply to Fawteen, 12-15-2007 07:37:52  
Look at the sparks from a grinding wheel. The various components of steel and cast iron (especially the carbon in the cast iron) burn differently. You'll have to find machinists reference book to interpret those sparks though.

Or you could try to break the parts. Cast iron will break showing the iron and steel probably won't break.

Gerald J.



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