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Jimdril

12-12-2007 18:25:02




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Northern Tool has a PTO gen that'll run off a 24HP tractor. How do these units compare to a freestanding gen? I can get a lot more KWs for the buck. I could run it with my 8N. I wonder how the gas usage would be. Any experience with one of these?




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buickanddeere

12-14-2007 19:32:15




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
On the KW per dollar, you won't find a non Chinese generator that will do better..... .Then they also throw in the automatic transfer switch so the system works when you are away from home. LP so no gummed up carbs. Link



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Spook

12-15-2007 05:07:47




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to buickanddeere, 12-14-2007 19:32:15  
I have the 15kw propane model. Great stuff.



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NE IA

12-14-2007 18:25:33




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
I would sure consider the pto type--Your 8N perhaps is a little weak in the poop if you are at max output. You can always update to a larger tractor some day. Now if you are without power often, then perhaps a differnt unit would be in order. Then if you need all the generator will put out, I would suggest a lifestyle change may be in order for alot of folks. Maybe shut off the water heater, you can probably unplug 90% of your demands if needed for a few day outage. You can inconvience yourself a little, and save alot. Now again if you need the generator often, and you power demands are way up, then rethink the whole idea. Remember if any generator causes the govenor to surge, you may be a little weak on HP. This is only important for the most part for electrical motors, lights are not a big deal as a general rule.

If you do choose to go the PTO type, many have a 540 pto shaft. If it is a option you can perhaps save $300.00 by using a used PTO shaft from another implment. Many dynos have that shaft, some elevators, and a few others. I have seen farmers, put a used PTO shaft on, and just change out the one end to make it 540 on the generator end. Now I must tell of a few cases where the shaft was on a different farm when the power went out, and the snowmobile would not start in a snow storm. As far as fuel consumption, well again how many hours a year are you probably going to use this thing. Most generators in our area don't work because they have been in the back of the machine shed, and not used for ten years. Fire it up every other month or so, and work it for a half hr or so. Many times you can build your own pto generator cart and save some money, just keep a decent wheel base as generators can do cart wheels.

If you are looking for a pull top, they are alot hauled to the junk as the farmers update to bigger units, I was given mine, and other than the loop wire being a 1 1/2" short, I even used the wires inside the conduit. I have seen a few thrown away because the electrician did not plug the holes, sparows got in and built nests so the springs would not throw the contacts over center. So the farmer had them install a new one. I have no problem dumpster diving for those units, usualy a half hr and some tender loving care, and you are good to go.

Remember I have only a opinion, so do what serves you best. NE IA Dave

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Dusty MI

12-13-2007 17:36:07




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
Another + for tractor. You normally are using your tractor so it should be ready to go. With an engine driven generator, will it start when it's needed? After sitting for who knows how long. If I were going to have an engine driven generator I think I would have a propane fired one. Propane does not go bad like other fuels.

Dusty



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Jeff-oh

12-13-2007 10:22:59




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
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I like the stand alones. I have a 3.75KW (8KW surge) on a cart that is no bigger than a lawn mower see picture. I got it for $350 during a promotion. This is much much less than the $1170.00 for the PTO Genny.

That sid you will only need the full 24 HP if you are truely pulling the full 12KW. Stay under that and you be fine.

Another reason I like the stand alone is it is transportable. I can put it in the back of the truck and go use it where I need it. I do not need to haul the tractor too.

I've pulled mine to various work sites and my hunting camp. Works well.

My expierence anyway.

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TomTex

12-12-2007 21:07:31




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
Agree with the others, using a gasoline tractor is not the way to go. A diesel would be MUCH better for pulling a PTO generator. And, you need to have a supply of fuel waiting for this outage. Modern gasoline dont store very well. Diesel stores better. Tom



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old

12-12-2007 21:03:55




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
In the bst case yes and 8N would run it maybe. An 8N is right at 23HP one less then what called for but thats if your 8N is in top condition. Few 8Ns are in top condition because of how old they are. Plus think about the fuel that you will burn. In a case of a genny its always better to say if it calls for 24HP to run it with a 30 HP troctor so as to keep form over laoding it plus have the extra power needed for peak loads

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JT

12-12-2007 19:22:29




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
These work good if you are using a diesel tractor. With a gas tractor, I do not think you would save enough money to pay for the extra fuel you will use. Gas tractors that I have used will burn more than a gallon an hour. My 7500W Generac portable will run about 8-10 hours on a 6 gallon tank of fuel, depending on the load. I thought about doing this with my Farmall M until I got to figuring the amount of fuel I would use. I have a Farmall Generator that sits in the shed for this reason. Never used a Ford, so I do not know what your fuel usage would be.

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John T

12-12-2007 18:42:29




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 Re: Another generator question in reply to Jimdril, 12-12-2007 18:25:02  
ID RECOMMEND ONE Yep they are cheaper cuz you arent buying the engine to run them, just the genny. Thing is the tractor usually has a large enough engine and is well governed that it can maintain a more constant RPM and thus better frequency stabilization for smoother power less prone to browning out when say the freezer compressor kicks in. Also you usually have a much larger fuel tank plus the tractor can get there in case of snow

GO FOR it if you already have a tractor, no need to spend bucks on an engine when you already have one

John T

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