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Building a PTO Dyno ???

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al

07-21-2001 07:35:40




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Anyone ever build a Dyno? It would involve a hyd pump but the size and type and ..... ..... .???

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Bob

07-24-2001 21:15:57




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 Re: Building a PTO Dyno ??? in reply to al, 07-21-2001 07:35:40  
I don't suppose you're near North Dakota?

I have an older M&W PTO dyno that needs sprucing up that I'd let go cheap.

This is a brake type unit that is water cooled. Torque is read by the torque arm on the dyno pressing on an oil-filled cylinder. The resulting prssure is then read on a gauge calibrated appropriately.



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Ken McWilliams

07-22-2001 05:34:46




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 Re: Building a PTO Dyno ??? in reply to al, 07-21-2001 07:35:40  
Al,

It can be done. 1 horsepower = 33,00 FT-LBS/Minute. The units in hydraulics are directly convertable to horsepower because it's pressure X volume.

If you take the equations and begin multiplying and cancelling terms you get the following:

Lbs/Sq In X Gallons/Minute =

Lbs/Sq Inches X Gallons (231 Cu inches/Gallon)/Minute = Lb-Inches/minute

12 inch-lbs = 1 foot pound, therefore divide the equation above by 12 to get ft-lbs/min.

For a 40 HP unit, you can set the equation at 40HP and work it backwards.

It looks as though you'll need around a 70 GPM pump @ 540 RPM. Since most pumps are made to fit 1800 RPM electric motors you'll need one rated at about 225 -250 GPM @ 1800 RPM.

If you run the pressure system at 2000 PSI, the pump can be a 35 GPM pump @ 540 PTO RPM.

You can stack smaller volume pumps on a common shaft to get the volume and plumb them into a common piping system.

Ordinarilly, you should have a reservoir about 4-5 times larger than the GPM = 300 gallons.

The piping size should limit the oil flow to about 20 ft/second.

The gear pumps will have to be routed through a very large heat exchanger with forced air circulation or circulated water.

Unless, you have a lot of this stuff laying around the garage, plan to spend about $20K-$50K new.

Alternately, a large generator would work, but you'll need about a 40hp X 746watt= 30 KW generator that is geared for the 540 RPM. To it, you would need a bank of resistors and a tremendous heat-sink.

I've gone to some tractor shows in Ohio/Indiana. There's a fellow that shows up there with a generator equipped with a flat belt. He tests the steam engines.

Alternately, you can build a prony break. It usually consists of a brake on a shaft with a lever arm. The leverage of the arm is on a scale. Thus the length of the lever arm X the pounds on the scale X RPM = horsepower.

Again you'll need to cool the brake, but it's the simplest form to make a dyno.

Ken McWilliams
Dayton, OH

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rhudson

07-22-2001 07:47:14




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 Re: Re: Building a PTO Dyno ??? in reply to Ken McWilliams, 07-22-2001 05:34:46  
Hi Ken, do you have any suggestions on how to measure the torque absorbed by the throttled pumps? balance beam? maybe load cell? thanks



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Ken McWilliams

07-22-2001 09:41:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Building a PTO Dyno ??? in reply to rhudson, 07-22-2001 07:47:14  
The hydraulic or whatever unit could be placed in a cradle on pillow bearings with the axis in the centerline of the PTO shaft.

Loadcells would be fine, however, they're not cheap. Beyond the original purchase of the loadcell, you would need the meter that converts the signal to something meaninful. A voltmeter could be used, but it's not calibrated into any form measuring the force. If you have the data on a load cell, it would give the output voltage or milliamp current flow per pound of force.

The lever that is used to hold the reactionary torque could be attached to a spring gauge or a platform scale. There are plenty of platform scales at industrial auctions or you could use bathroom scales in a pinch.

Horsepower = torque x RPM

Ken McWilliams

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