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fepo69

12-06-2007 07:17:58




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As is the season now, it was discovered that the heat exchanger in the ~20 yr old BROCK forced air oil furnace has a bout a 2" crack in it (Liner collapsed) liner has been changed now.

Reading old posts here, it is evident a new furnace is not any better, and I would rather pay more in fuel than deal with a busted furnace in winter. Therefore I will weld the crack and try to buy some time, technician suggested if I do this to put a metal patch over the crack and not just weld the crack, as it expands and contracts. I have a wire feed welder with flux core wire(havent hooked up the gas for mig, dont have bottle) any opinions/info/ideas that can be helpful on wleding or anybody else did this with success?? ?

I may look into changing exchanger as well, but for now will try this....

Thks.

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jdemaris

12-08-2007 06:23:43




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
I'd like to see someone post the exact text from their building code that says heat-exchangers cannot be repaired. We must adhere to International Building Code 2006 here - and also County code. There is nothing that prohibits heat exchanger repair in a hot-air furnace.

We just went through the same nonsense repairing a leak in a steam-boiler tank hooked to a steam engine where my wife works. Ended up we were allowed to repair it - and we did. In regard to the doom and gloom about the chance of dying from one that's been fixed? Well, if that's the main worry - you'd better have the same doom-and-gloom over all the cheaply built new furnaces out there that often burn out before 5 years of use. They have thin sheet-metal heat-changers with cheap refractory chambers that tend to fall apart when not in use - from dampness. You are a heck of lot safer with a properly repaired furnace than some of the new ones on the market. I'll also mention - why would someone be willing to live in a house with windows closed, and an oil-furnace of any sort - and NOT have a $25 CO detector? You cannot legislate common sense. A heat exchanger can certainly be repaired and along with a proper refractory chamber - be better then when it was new. It's not magic - and not very complicated.

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buickanddeere

12-09-2007 06:40:07




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to jdemaris, 12-08-2007 06:23:43  
jdmaris

What you are saying is a properly planned repair with quality materials and skilled workmanship is an acceptable solution. Sad to say such repairs and a full set of CO & smoke detectors around the residence are rarely found.



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Dusty MI

12-07-2007 10:17:35




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
Like a couple of others have said It's a code violation to repair a heat exchanger.

Dusty



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buickanddeere

12-06-2007 17:06:20




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
Not allowed to patch heat exchangers here. Too many home tinkerers saving money and causing funerals for the entire family. That CO knocks em dead real good.



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Jerry/MT

12-06-2007 12:51:02




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
You may be better off replacing the heat exchanger. Carbon monoxide can leak into the cold side of the heat exchanger and prove fatal in the worse case, or make you feel sickly with constant headaches,nausea, etc. Welding something that goes through thermal cycles can casue additional cracks to form due to hot spots formed due to the increased metal thickness at the weld site, as well as from the welding it self. Play it safe. Change the heat exchanger.

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135 Fan

12-06-2007 11:10:17




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
I'd agree with the technician about welding the crack and then putting a patch over it. One of the reasons for the patch is so that more cracks don't start around the old cracks. Oxy/acetylene would be a good choice for this kind of repair. Any type of welding should work as long as you don't blow a hole in it. Dave



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Bud in WV

12-06-2007 17:04:03




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to 135 Fan, 12-06-2007 11:10:17  
Hey,Dave! I used to be "Bud in NC" but we decided Charlotte, NC was getting WAY too close....and neither of us speak Spanish!

As for the welding, don't forget to "stop drill" it!

Take care, Bro -



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135 Fan

12-06-2007 17:12:47




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to Bud in WV, 12-06-2007 17:04:03  
Drilling a hole at the end of the crack could prevent the crack getting bigger when welding and then filled at the end. Replacing would be the best idea but it might not be available. Without seeing the crack it's hard to know exactly what the best repair method is. I've been wondering where you were Bud. Glad you're back. Dave



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jdemaris

12-06-2007 09:11:29




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to fepo69, 12-06-2007 07:17:58  
I've welded many. Some of the newer furnaces burn out in five years. That is partly due to the cheap fire-blanket that is used. Once it falls part, the oil-gun will burn through the thin metal fast. Many older furnaces had fire brick or thick clay refractory liners and lasted much longer.

I have a 1948 Firestone oil-hot-air furnace heating my barn and it still works fine. It doesn't even have an optic fire-sensor. It uses a stack heat sensor instead. Inside, it has a firebrick firestop where the gun-flame hits.

My house had a new Onieda furnace that burnt out when it was three years old. My son had an Olsen that burnt out in its fourth year. With both, it was an easy fix. It's all soft steel anyway - so soft rod low-penetration rod like 6013 is fine, unless you use a MIG welder. I've also seen many with a stainless steel patch pop-riveted in and sealed with refractory cement. My neighbor did his in 1979 and it's still fine. Just use steel rivets and not aluminum.

The main thing is - not so much the patch - it's the refractory protection over it. Don't use a generic "wet blanket" fix. Use a good quality solid refractory chamber built to fit. Or - make a custom chamber by cutting firebrick.

Some better furnaces avoid burnout two ways - one with the gun flame not getting near the chamber wall, and some others using a thick clay fire-stop.

I will also note that although furnaces have warranties - those are usually worthless - since the small print voids the warranty if burnout is caused by a failed refractory blanket or chamber.

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fepo69

12-06-2007 19:23:24




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 Re: FA oil furnace heat exchanger welding in reply to jdemaris, 12-06-2007 09:11:29  
He installed a 3/4" thick cylindrical liner to replace the thin blanket that fell to pieces(which is why the chamber cracked...)

I will look for a new chamber but the tech didnt think it would be available for that furnace...

Thanks,
Fred



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