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OT: Alternate heat source

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-05-2007 17:59:18




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I've been wondering lately whether it would be possible to do all your heating by burning only junk mail. If you made it a point to respond to every offer that included a post-paid return envelope---not buy anything, just request more information---and sent a check for $.50 to every organization that solicited funds from you, pretty soon you'd be getting so much junk mail that the post office might have to put an extra carrier on your route. The amount of your new fuel source would increase exponentially for quite awhile even after you stopped doing anything to promote it because almost all direct mail retailers/solicitors sell your address to others if you respond.

I realize that junk mail isn't anybody's idea of high quality fuel, but it might be acceptable in the right application. For instance, I've read that the huge masonry stoves used in Russia and other European countries of the far north burn what we would normally consider kindling to create an intensely hot fire that doesn't last long, but dumps a lot of heat into the masonry mass for sustained release over many hours afterwards. Junk mail isn't kindling, of course, but then nobody's going to deliver free kindling to your house six days a week, either.

Stan

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guido

12-09-2007 13:28:14




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
Hey Stan
I read many years ago of a guy that subscribed to all the junk mailing lists that he could find, and used the mailing for heating his house. I think he had an iron stove that he used.
That was in the mid 70's when we had the energy crunch. So, not a new idea but in the right conditions it can work.
Guido.



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Sunspot

12-06-2007 07:48:36




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Dave2, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  

MarkB_MI said: (quoted from post at 22:09:31 12/05/07) I remember many years ago some guy was featured on TV who did just that. I did everything he could to get as much junk mail as possible, then burned it all in his stove. I don't think he lived in Michigan, though!


That guy was in Denver, CO. He soaked the mail in his bathtub and then rolled it into logs about 2 �� thick. After they dried, he fed them in his stove.

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Mike M

12-06-2007 06:56:01




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
A postman had told me that he heard about someone doing just that. I think him being a postman is how he heard about it cause all the extra work it caused them.



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Bus Driver

12-06-2007 05:15:32




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
"Slick" papers are actually filled with clay for the smooth surface. When that paper is burned, the clay hinders the burn somewhat and adds considerable bulk to the ashes. We crosscut-shred our junk mail and other non-recyclable paper and use it for garden mulch. Works great.



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hayray

12-06-2007 02:54:56




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
I burn most of my junk mail in my wood stove except that glossy print stuff, it has a fire retardant ink on it so it don't burn down good. Let us know if it works for you but I think you would have to sit in front of the stove all night feeding it, no coals?



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big fred

12-05-2007 21:16:10




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
I wouldn't doubt that unelected goobernator Christine has already issued a decree making it illegal unless she can find a way to tax it.

Yes, I'm bitter ;o)



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iowa_tire_guy

12-05-2007 19:51:02




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
Hey, try living in Iowa during caucus season. They need a bigger trash can in the post office to hold all the candidates junk mail. Sure be glad when it is over.



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NTP

12-05-2007 19:43:18




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
There actually is a use for junk mail. Simply tear off anything that has your name on it and stuff the rest back in the return envlope and put it in your mail box (if you are rural) and put up the red flag. When you look out and don't see the red flag, you know the mailman has been there.



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MarkB_MI

12-05-2007 19:09:31




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
I remember many years ago some guy was featured on TV who did just that. I did everything he could to get as much junk mail as possible, then burned it all in his stove. I don't think he lived in Michigan, though!



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Wardner

12-05-2007 18:49:47




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
My junk mail has diminished considerably over the years. I think the vendors have databases that check and delete low spending demographics. Older people fit that category. I am 63. I used to get several credit card applications a day. I might get one a week now.

Nice to see that others are aware of Russian Stoves. I have built two and a half stoves and they are fabulous. Junk wood, even demolition debris, is far superior to good cord wood. I would draw the line on paper though. Too much ash with a high potential for the burnt paper flakes to plug up the flues.

For those who want more info on the stoves, search on "Albie Bardon" at google. He is the guru and major promoter of the stoves in this country. I was a trainee with him on the 'half' stove about 30 years ago.

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RayP(MI)

12-06-2007 18:45:31




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Wardner, 12-05-2007 18:49:47  
I kept returning the credit card apps, marked, " NO! Do not contact me again. Any further contact will be considered HASSASSMENT." After a few months of this, they got the message, and not getting them anymore.



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Kent in KC

12-09-2007 17:51:12




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to RayP(MI), 12-06-2007 18:45:31  
Hassassment? Woo, no wonder they quit contacting you! Sounds painful.



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CH(upstate,NY)

12-05-2007 18:38:48




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-05-2007 17:59:18  
Even though it doesn't get really cold in Washington State, we'll task you to try it exclusively this winter and let us know in the spring if it was a success.



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The REAL Hal/WA

12-06-2007 16:30:37




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to CH(upstate,NY), 12-05-2007 18:38:48  
Obviously you have never wintered in Spokane or in most of the eastern part of the state. It gets very cold here sometimes, although I would admit that the last few winters have been fairly mild overall.

West of the Cascade mountains, it is much warmer and in most places wetter. But lots of Eastern Washington has pretty high elevation and is almost dry enough to call it a desert.

Washington should have been made into two states: the wet and urban West side and the dry and mostly rural Eastern side. Since the West side has the most population, they control the whole state and this leads to some laws that are really contrary to what we want and need in Eastern Washington. Division of the state has been talked about for many years, but it doesn't seem like enough people are serious enough about it for the division to actually happen. I'd vote for it if it ever came up on a ballot.

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-06-2007 23:23:05




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to The REAL Hal/WA, 12-06-2007 16:30:37  
Hi Hal,

What you're saying is that you want to secede from the state and form your own state. Why, that's rebellion, isn't it? Just kidding. Separate states east and west of the Cascades makes a lot of sense. I suspect that most private citizens in western WA understand the unfairness of imposing urban oriented laws on the rural part of the state. My guess as to why no action ever takes place about it is that there's so little precedent for that kind of event. West Virginia splitting off from Virginia is the only occurrence I can think of---and that was in relation to actual civil war. Anyway, I'd vote to cut you free.

All the best, Stan

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The REAL Hal/WA

12-08-2007 17:42:32




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-06-2007 23:23:05  
It is also interesting to see the voting pattern differences between the West and East. The East tends to be more conservative and the West more liberal. Eastern Washington sure did not "elect" (quote marks very intentional!) the present governor or either of the current senators.

North Idaho has about as much in common with Southern Idaho as the West/East halves of Washington. I had not thought about Eastern Oregon, but maybe that area also feels dissed by their Western majority.

If a new state was ever created, it is my understanding that it would be relatively poor as compared with the current states, but at least we would have some voice in what happens in our area. For example, I would guess that the current law prohibiting the hunting of mountain lions with dogs would be struck from the books, and the growing problem of not very shy cougars attacking people would decrease.

And I would guess that the new state would have 2 senators and the members of the house would be on the basis of how much population there was. The electoral votes would also reflect what the people of Eastern Washington voted, rather than the winner take all situation that we now have.

And so, for that last reason, I doubt that the party now in power would EVER let a split of the current state happen. Oh well, it's fun to think about.

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big fred

12-07-2007 08:53:06




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-06-2007 23:23:05  
I would think that Oregon and Warshington would be better off split vertically at the Cascades than horizontally at the Columbia. Eastern Warshington has a lot more in common with eastern Oregon than it does with western Warshington.



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NBAllen

12-07-2007 09:41:35




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to big fred, 12-07-2007 08:53:06  
Agreed. You could also throw North Idaho into the mix as well - say everything above (not including) Riggins.

Nathaniel



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Slowpoke

12-07-2007 00:58:49




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 Re: OT: Alternate heat source in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-06-2007 23:23:05  
How about Dakota Territory? Now known as North Dakota and South Dakota. American flags had a star added in antipation of the state of Dakota joining the Union, but it was split up and the flags were one star short, therefore useless.



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