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JC Penney Tools, etc

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farmall100

11-30-2007 14:41:56




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I remember in the early and mid70s JC Penney had their own line of tools (wrenches), lawn mowers and guns. What was the house brand name of these and who made them? I remember seeing these at the mall store and in the catalog but I can't recall the name. Thanks




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EX-mac

12-06-2007 02:28:59




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Believe this or not SNAP-ON made the PENNCRAFT wrenches for a short while until the dealers became aware.The wrenches were the same except for the name.Ithink they made the ratchets and sockets for that same period.When MAC was taken over by STANLEY they sold the same tools for a short with SK stamped on them.Both these examples sold for about half price. EX-MAC



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S.Crum

11-30-2007 21:44:00




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Mom bought me a Penncraft 3/8" drive socket set and a Penncraft screwdriver set 34 years ago for my 13th birthday. I still have most of the sockets but have planted the screw drivers over the years. The rachet wore out shortly after the penncraft line vanished. Craftsman and SK took the spot.



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-30-2007 20:29:25




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
A Google search returned the information that Penney's firearms brand was Foremost. I don't remember ever hearing of that.

Stan



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marlowe

11-30-2007 17:13:20




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
the guns they sold were JC Higgins have 6 of them in all gages



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msb

11-30-2007 19:04:57




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to marlowe, 11-30-2007 17:13:20  
J C Higgins was/is a registerd trademark of Sears Roebuck & Company



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marlowe

12-01-2007 11:54:55




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to msb, 11-30-2007 19:04:57  
DA!!!! your right brain fart sorry



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Charles (in GA)

11-30-2007 17:02:05




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Penncraft tools. I have one of their AC stick welders.

Charles



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sonny2

11-30-2007 16:48:05




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
regarding the Monkey Ward welder; I have one, it is a 230/140 ac/dc machine. It is yellow and white. It was made by Century. It does everything I need it to do.



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-30-2007 20:06:24




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to sonny2, 11-30-2007 16:48:05  
Hi sonny2,

I also have a welder which sounds like a combination of the one you have and the one Brad Gyde describes. Mine is a Powr Kraft which was M/W's house brand for their welders. It says Montgomery Ward in small print on the front. Mine was yellow with a black face. I let the top get rusty and couldn't match that yellow to touch it up, so now it's red. It looks better red. It is 230 AC / 140 DC with the duty cycles of AC High, AC Low, and DC down the front face beside the sliding amperage adjustment handle. It claims to have a 100% duty cycle up to 140 amps AC High, and 80 amps DC. It also has 3 holes near the top of the left side of the face to plug in the electrode holder lead, AC High or Low, and a hole to plug in the ground cable. Under the hole for High it says, "E6013 electrodes---welding, cutting and burning holes." Near the bottom of the face, also on the left, are holes for DC+ and DC-.

To change the amperage setting on this machine you squeeze the handles together, like opening a pinch clamp, and slide them up or down. When the handles are beside the setting you want you release them and the slide locks in place---or, in the case of my welder, doesn't. This situation reveals itself as the amperage changes during welding; not during a welding session, but while making a single weld. It adds a whole new dimension to the challenges of stick welding. Does your welder change amperage while you're welding? If so, have you figured out anything to do about it? I've had mine open and couldn't see anything to be done there. I figured out a way to hold the selector in place externally. It's easy enough, and effective, but it has a makeshift quality about it that I think will make it hard to sell the welder.

All the best, Stan

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36 coupe

12-02-2007 03:25:34




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-30-2007 20:06:24  
I did a repair on a Power Kraft welder.A diode was shorted.The physical size of the diode made it 85 amps max.I replaced both diodes with 150 amp units.Self adjusting is common on these welders.Thats why I bought a Lincoln 225 in 1964.Ive oiled the fan motor but thats all the service its needed.Lincoln bought Century, they may have a cure for wandering settings on Century built welders.



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sonny2

12-01-2007 17:41:27




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-30-2007 20:06:24  
Hi Stan

No, I haven't had any trouble with the welder changing amps. But then, I haven't used it enough for it to wear. I don't use it as much anymore since I got a MIG. Only welding light stuff anymore, I guess my fabrication days are winding down since my son moved away! The welder is as you described yours; controls and connections are the same. Yes the name is Power Kraft.

Paul



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Brad Gyde

11-30-2007 17:03:02




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to sonny2, 11-30-2007 16:48:05  
Well.. Century could be a possibliity, however, mine is a grey color, with a "faceplate" that was probably polished to look chrome, is just 240 (as far as I know) and has a "slide" to adjust amperage, as opposed to the usual "dials", and has two different holes, for HIGH and LOW for the amperage, and I beleve it goes up to 225 or 250 amps...

Brad



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Charles (in GA)

11-30-2007 19:45:35




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Brad Gyde, 11-30-2007 17:03:02  
Sounds like my Pennys welder. Has a flat metal handle that slides a core in a transformer inside. Locking knob on the top, dual ranges of amperage. Brushed metal recessed faceplate. Two tone paint, white front and beige/brownish hammered finish housing.

Charles



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railhead

12-01-2007 04:31:35




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Charles (in GA), 11-30-2007 19:45:35  
I have a monkey wards that sounds exactly like that one with the locking knob and slide, same color as your Penny's. I do believe Century made them as well.



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Slowpoke

12-02-2007 00:20:42




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to railhead, 12-01-2007 04:31:35  
My M/W welder is red, sliding handle, AC/DC 25 to 225 or 250 amps, don't remember which. New, still in the box!!!



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jhill52

11-30-2007 18:52:19




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Brad Gyde, 11-30-2007 17:03:02  
I had a Monkey Wards welder just like yours. I believe mine had a tag naming Century as the maker. Mine was a very good machine. Got rid of it to get an AC-DC machine.



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Brad Gyde

11-30-2007 19:15:13




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to jhill52, 11-30-2007 18:52:19  
Have not saw a tag, but don't mean either A) I have overlooked it or B) has been removed over the ages. I'd go look now, but am a long ways away from the shop... but will certainly look now when I get back home.

Thanks Brad



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Brad Gyde

11-30-2007 16:32:38




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 Since someone brought it up... in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Since we are on such a topic, does anyone know who made Montgomery-Ward welders? I have one, probably from the mid 70's, and in all of the shops I have been in, it is the only one like it I have saw.. (but for the $75 I gave for it at a garage sale, it works good enough to do what I need it for.).. Just wonderin who might have manufacured it.

Brad



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Brad Gyde

11-30-2007 16:31:56




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 Since someone brought it up... in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Since we are on such a topic, does anyone know who made Montgomery-Ward welders? I have one, probably from the mid 70's, and in all of the shops I have been in, it is the only one like it I have saw.. (but for the $75 I gave for it at a garage sale, it works good enough to do what I need it for.).. Just wonderin who might have manufacured it.

Brad



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-30-2007 16:20:28




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Hi farmall 100,

I once owned a single shot .22 bolt action rifle which I think was Westernfield, or Western Field---something like that. I think that might have been Penney's firearms brand.

All the best, Stan



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rockyhawaii

12-01-2007 16:02:05




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-30-2007 16:20:28  
Monkey Wards sold the Western Field brand. I had one back in the seventies in .243. Sears sold the Ted Williams brand.



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Larke

11-30-2007 16:23:30




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-30-2007 16:20:28  
I think Western Field was sold by Monkey Wards.



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J.C.in AZ.

12-01-2007 08:23:28




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Larke, 11-30-2007 16:23:30  
You are correct.My Western Field 22 Cal. Semi Auto Rifle came from there around 1958. I recently had it rebuilt as it was getting sloppy on the ejection of spent Shells and had a new Stock installed also. It has sentamental value to me.



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-30-2007 16:29:39




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Larke, 11-30-2007 16:23:30  
Hi Larke,

You're right. I had a better memory once upon a time. Now I've got CRS, but fortunately it's too late for it to be the early onset variety.

All the best, Stan



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kurt:ky

11-30-2007 15:45:50




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Bought my chrome combo wrench set in 1979 and I am still using them. They get used everyday in auto and truck shop work.



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Dick2

11-30-2007 14:57:03




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
My favorite pair of slip-joint pliers are Penneys. I've had them 27 years now and they look almost like new.



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Vern-MI

11-30-2007 14:54:33




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to farmall100, 11-30-2007 14:41:56  
Penncraft

Mossberg



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Vern-MI

11-30-2007 15:15:59




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Vern-MI, 11-30-2007 14:54:33  
Sears had J.C. Higgins, Ted Williams and Winchester guns. I think J.C. Higgins was the store name for a lot of different suppliers of Sears guns.

Montgomery wards had Hawthorn guns.

K-mart had Norinco, Marlin, and



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davpal

11-30-2007 21:26:11




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 Re: JC Penney Tools, etc in reply to Vern-MI, 11-30-2007 15:15:59  
Vern, my dad has a Ted Williams 12 guage pump that I thought came from Sears. It is a really nice and well made gun. Heavy old bugger.



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