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Welding cast iron- need help

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C.L.

07-13-2001 18:58:34




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I need to weld a 3/16" piece of cast on our hay baler. I know it can be hard to weld cast unless you're pretty experienced, but the baler is 22 years old and we really don't want to pay a shop to weld somthing that wouln't last too much longer anyway. So, what is the best heat setting and rod to use with an arc welder? A neighbor says to use a 6013 rod and then immeadeatly go back over it with a 7018(?) rod. Will that work? Thanks for any help.

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JUNIOR

01-23-2004 21:37:54




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO RODS SPECS. EXA. ON WELDING ROD 7018 (H48), 7018(H8R), 7018(H16R), WHAT DOES (H48),(H8R),(H16R)STAND FOR? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE AND WHICH ONE IS BETTER ?



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BlueLite

07-16-2001 17:11:08




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
Nickel-copper alloy type electrodes is used to weld all types of cast iron, including malleable. This electrode produces a soft machinable type weld deposit. If the temperature of the casting is kept relatively cool, hardness in the fusion zone at the edge of the bead fails to damage the weld.
The nickel in the weld does not form carbides with the carbon in the cast iron but instead takes the carbon in solution. Keeping the casting cool during welding also reduces the effects of distortion.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-17-2001 08:24:38




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 Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to BlueLite, 07-16-2001 17:11:08  
We have an arc brazing electrode that people use to weld cast iron. The tensile strength is 90,000PSI but the deposit is very ductile. It's quite crack resistant. The chemistry would resemble an aluminum bronze brazing rod.

We also have several alternatives to the Eutectic and Certanium specialty products that are easier on the pocket book. The arc brazing electrode is called #521 and can be seen on our site if interested. The alloy that I believe you refer to would be something like our #1290 Cu/Ni often used to repair Inconel.

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BlueLite

07-19-2001 15:00:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 07-17-2001 08:24:38  
Thanks for the info , I'm interested but do
you have a Canadian outlet?



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LUNATICFRINGE

07-14-2001 19:46:06




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
i've welded plenty of cast iron.
take your time.
grind the weld out good.
make sure its grease and dirt free.
get yourself a temple stick for 400 degrees F
pre heat area to be welded to 400 F degrees and strike your arc.
weld everything all up and then like gentleman said wrap in kao wool or sand make sure it cools extremely slowly.
i've always used CERTANIUM ALLOYS rod for cast iron. its all postions.
draw back very expensive.
good luck.

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ferrell freeman

07-14-2001 13:31:38




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
I,donot think E6013 OR 7018 will work or hold on cast iron ,you will need NI ROD this for cast iron . You will need to clean it and grind a bevile ,on both pices .



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Steve U.S. Alloys

07-14-2001 09:40:26




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
I couldn't add too much to what Steve TN. told you. I thank him for the compliment though.

Only thing we don't really know is the mass of the part. It can be 3/16" thick w/o mass and you could quite easily braze or arc weld it. If enough mass is involved that will act as a heat sink, I would put about 300°F into it and try not exceed that too much with the interpass temps. Peen between passes to relieve residual stresses if you use that method. Also use a "U" groove instead of a "V" when prepping cast iron. As Steve says, clean the top side of the area with your grinder so you'll get a good bead contour in the transition zone. If the part is large, bury it after welding in lime, sand, vermiculite, redi-mix powder, Kao wool etc. That will allow it to cool slowly and let the carbon form free graphites which will maintain the ductile grain structure in the part.

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bill b va

07-14-2001 07:30:25




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  

what ever you do non't use your neighbors advice !!!!! ! he is wrong... wrong.....i will wait and see if the real pro's anwser. i will only try to advise you if i think you are getting erroronious information bill b va



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Steve from Tn

07-13-2001 19:47:32




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 Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L., 07-13-2001 18:58:34  
There are others on here that are a lot more experienced that I am. I will tell you what I know or think I know. 1. Use a grinder to clean the weld-line(about an inch on either side. 2. Bevel out the weld-line. 3. Use a nickel rod.(won't need over a lb)
4. Probably 90 to 130 heat.(depends on your setup)
5. Preheat the area to be weld with torch.(I think dull red)
6 Weld it!
7. Some say to peen it while it cools. I usually keep heating with a torch and slowly reducing the heat. It's called heat cooling. It has worked well for me. I like to have help if I heat-cool. I have done the peening as well. You will get better advice than I have given. It will be more technical anyway.
8 Some experts on here to really heed include Steve U.S. Alloys, Mark kw, and Fred. There are others but these guys really know what they are talking about. If they disagree with my advice, THEY are right.

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Fred OH

07-23-2001 08:00:02




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 Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to Steve from Tn, 07-13-2001 19:47:32  
I've heard a rumor that Mark and Steve are so good that they can switch rods without breaking an arc. Any truth to this rumor? If T_Bone ain't back from vacation yet-we can blame him for starting it. Fred OH



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CHUCK

07-15-2001 10:08:37




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 Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to Steve from Tn, 07-13-2001 19:47:32  
3/16ths is not much metal. groove, preheat,braze it. let it cool slow. I brazed some JD knotter parts in 1989 and they are still being used. Chuck



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C.L.- Thanks

07-14-2001 18:18:42




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 Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to Steve from Tn, 07-13-2001 19:47:32  
Thanks everyone for all the advice. We picked up some 1/8" 100% nickel rods today- kind of pricey at $20 for a 1-pound box, but they're probably worth it.



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chuck

07-15-2001 10:14:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Welding cast iron- need help in reply to C.L.- Thanks, 07-14-2001 18:18:42  
SUPER ATOMIC WELD IS ANOTHER (EXPENSIVE) ROD GOOD FOR WELDING UNKNOWN METELS.



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