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Opinions about brands of welding electrodes

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-26-2007 08:10:56




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On a site devoted to welding issues, several people agreed with someone who said that Radnor brand 7018 electrodes were bad right out of a freshly opened package. I think that Radnor is Airgas's lower priced house brand for all kind of products that sell for higher prices as name brands---Lincoln, Victor, Jackson, etc.

Does anyone have experience with brands of welding electrodes that you've found to be particularly good, or particularly bad? All information is welcome, stick electrodes, bare or F/C wire, standard use or specialty electrodes.

Stan

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guido

12-02-2007 11:18:29




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Hey Stan
I have always used lincoln products and never had a problem, hobart is a good brand also. Ones in awhile the boss would buy an off brand but as a rule we stuck with the known brands.
We stored the rods in air tight containers,and for critical welding, frame hangers, suspension brackets etc. I would put the rods in the oven we had to make sure they were totally dry. Guido.



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T_Bone

11-29-2007 19:47:18




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Hi Stan,

I've never heard of or used Radnor brand unless it's was produced under another name before 1995?

Trouble with finding a specific brand of electrode is finding a local supplier for the electrode. So many welding suppliers now only watch there net dollar amount and to heck with the best brand. Even Tweeco welding products is now getting hard to find or Huntsmen welding hoods, both products the finest in there class.

Lincoln 5p, 6010, is got to be the finest all around electrode choice that's ever been made. Using DCEP, 5p can make the finest open root pipe weldments that there are as well put on a excellant cover pass. Using DCEN, 5p will weld SM to certified codes. 5p will also run well on AC altho not the perferred choice. So if I had to choose just one electrode to have in my shop, Lincoln 5p 6010 would be it.

Lincoln also makes the finest Mig & Tig electrodes ,E70s. E70s runs excellant with 100%Ar, 75Ar25Co2, 100%Co2, or tri-mix gas. Works excellant with DCEP or DCEN

There's not a thing wrong with any 6013 electrode. When I modified my last adjustable 2" square ball mount, I used 6013 AC to make the 2" solid steel splice as that's what I had on hand. 6013 is a poor choice for welding SM as it has a very heavy flux cover on the weld bead and this hinders welding lite gauge SM as you can't not wait on the flux to move to the molten puddle edge before burning a hole in the base metal. The last 6013 I bought was Hobart and was a good 6013 electrode.

I have never found a finer 7018 electrode than Chemtron, a Linde product or Aire Linde as there name is now and I think Liquid Aire in the past. When this electrode is stored in a rod oven @250�, it will lay down the smoothest weld bead there is with the least amount of applied effort. Lincoln also makes a good 7018 but I found it needs more maniplation from the user than Chemtron. The last Hobart 7018 I used, about 1990, I have to admit it was a fine 7018 rod.
7014 and 7024 are both fine electrodes for speed welding. 7014 is just like 6013 when it comes too SM welding. 7024 is used for high production welding, meaning fast easy weld metal deposits, and has structual strength comparred to 7018, 70000psi tensil strength. 7018 penetrates deeper than 7024 and in fact 7024 would appear to lay on the surface but in reality it has adequate penetration for it's electrode class. Alot of backhoe equipment is welded with 7024 but has position restrictions of flat and horizontal weldments.

On certified jobs, then one has to follow the WPS (Welding Procedure Specification). It's common to see a WPS for 6010 for the root weld and 7018 for the cover pass. E70s is another popular WPS for certified Mig or Tig welding.
T_Bone

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TomTex

11-28-2007 12:31:53




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
I bought 50 lbs of Unibraze brand E7014 1/8 inch rods. Burn good, good looking weld, never had one break. Us efor general welding around the farm, pipe-top fence construction, etc. I can personally weld so much better with 7014 versus 7018. A good 7014 weld will hold much more than a very poor 7018 weld. My advice is to weld with whatever you can make the best weld with. Tom



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guido

12-02-2007 12:04:12




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to TomTex, 11-28-2007 12:31:53  
Hey Tom.

Have you done any vertical or overhead welding with that 7014 rod?
The 7014 rod is primarely used for inclined and short , horizzontal welding, it can be used dc either polarity or ac. 7018 on the other hand is an all position rod and can be used with ac or dc revers polarity only.I do agree with you that the 7014 is a nice rod to use, down hand welding with 7014 its a breeze and goes down better the 7018 I think and a tighter deposit of the metal for sure.
Guido.

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135 Fan

11-28-2007 21:08:40




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to TomTex, 11-28-2007 12:31:53  
7018 take some more practice but are stronger. 7014 is a better choice than 6013. 7024 which is basically the same as 7014, but with more iron powder, are common for production welding of things that just sit there and don't do anything. This is referred to as static loading. 7018 is for dynamic loading which means stuff that is under stress. Dave



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36 coupe

11-28-2007 00:35:31




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
I have found that Lincoln rods seem to be hard to weld with.A 50 lb box of Forney 6013 I bought in the early 60s is running low.This was a nice smooth running rod.I use stainless a lot.When my stainless supply ran low I bought more on Ebay for 2.50 to 3.00 lb delivered.Most welders wont use stainless because of the high price.Some one who welds for a living can answer your question better.I check yard sales,bought 38 lb of 6011 for 2.00 at one stop.A lot of 7018 is tossed out because of the oven storage needed.7018 can be used for most work that doesnt use high carbon steel.Most of the rod I use has been collected by my son and my dad over the years.Other than the 3 green dots that lincoln uses for id I have no idea what brand I am using.

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135 Fan

11-28-2007 10:48:43




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to 36 coupe, 11-28-2007 00:35:31  
Of all the common welding rods, 7018 is by far the strongest. If you need to weld something and you're not sure of the type of steel or carbon content, 7018 or a higher xx18 rod would be the rod of choice unless you wanted to spend a lot more money on a specialty rod. In my opinion 6013 are only good for sheet metal and very light duty welding. Different manufacturers have some good rods and some that aren't so good. Sometimes you have to pick and choose which works the best for you. Dave

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ohio

11-27-2007 16:44:36




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
These guys!



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chuck davis

11-27-2007 03:48:47




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Well if you are at an auction and find some Certainium, buy it. This is the best rod i have ever burned and i have been doing it for over 30 years.

You don't want to purchase this stuff over the counter as the price will buckle your knees.

I bought about 50# of this stuff on a whim a couple years ago and was amazed at how this stuff ran.

It has a strange numbering system,701 is their 7018 but it will make an average welder look like a professional.

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guido

12-02-2007 12:12:07




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to chuck davis, 11-27-2007 03:48:47  
Hey Chuck
I have some of that certainium rod it is a hard surfacing rod and I'll bet you can't cut it with oxy./ace. torch, it is that hard. It looks good too, like stainless.
Guido



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BobOHIO

11-26-2007 19:22:34




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Hi Stan-
I use Hobart 1/8" 7018 DC rods and they have always worked well for me.
Bob



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woodbutcher

11-26-2007 16:34:09




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Stan,
I'm partial to Washington Alloy, but I can't find them anymore in this area. I use 1/8" 6011 mostly.
Butch



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135 Fan

11-26-2007 11:09:59




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 Re: Opinions about brands of welding electrodes in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-26-2007 08:10:56  
Lincoln 5P+ for 6010. Regular 5P was the standard for many years but the 5P+ is even better. Hobart had a decent 6010 but it didn't dig as much as the Lincoln. Almost all other 6010 would fingernail badly which made them almost useless. Up here the 7018 of choice by a huge margin is Air Liquide (liquid Air). Several years ago they were on strike and there was a shortage of rods, so the distributors brought in some Atom Arc. The welders didn't like it nearly as much and were happy when the liquid air was back. You notice the biggest difference when welding out of position or with large rods (1/4in.). The Liquid Air rods cost more but like the Lincoln 5P+, everybody sells them whether they are a dealer or not. Dave

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