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Dale B

11-22-2007 12:21:18




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The other day someone posted abo ut a GFCI in the bathroom and needing a AFCI in the bedroom . What is an AFCI ???




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John T

11-23-2007 05:18:23




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Dale B, 11-22-2007 12:21:18  
Dale, Ya got your Ground Fault (GF) and your Arc Fault (AF) circuit interrupters. The GF trip the breaker in cases of ground faults while AF trip out if arcing occurs, simple as that.

The reason why AF are good is cuz say you have an extension cord or a receptacle or other circuit wiring where a high resistance short allows current to arc n spark which creates plenty enough heat to start a fire BUTTTTT TTTTT TTTTT TTTTT theres not enough current draw to cause say a regular 20 amp thermal/magnetic breaker to trip. THE AF BREAKER WILL TRIP WHEN AN ARC IS DETECTED ALTHOUGH ITS LOW AMPS WHERE A REGULAR BREAKER WOULDNT TRIP

They are expensive now but I see the price as possibly dropping once huge volumes are produced if the NEC mandates them. As an engineer I believe in them (likely may improve in the future) and think they can save fires from starting and lives.....

John T

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Deano

11-22-2007 13:37:35




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Dale B, 11-22-2007 12:21:18  
AFCI as the name implys is designed to detect arcing faults like a loose or corroded wire on a receptacle. Bad connections will arc a bit buliding up corrosion that causes heating . When hot enough they start fires. It was mandated for bedrooms first due to people resisting the attempt to mandate it's use. Most that die in home fires are in bed when the fire starts so the logic was to protect the room they are in. The new code will expand the requirement for AFCI into other home circuits, there are also breakers that have a combination of AFCI and GFCI built in.
I expect the majority of home circuits to eventually require AFCI and it isn't a bad idea but like most new technologies it costs more.

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11-22-2007 12:59:57




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Dale B, 11-22-2007 12:21:18  
A electrian friend of mine mentioned this a year or more ago, and the bedroom only thing may have to do with electric blankets. Not sure though.



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Bus Driver

11-22-2007 12:51:35




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Dale B, 11-22-2007 12:21:18  
The 2008 NEC, when and if it becomes effective in the jurisdiction in which you live, will require AFCI protection for most (not all) of the circuits in residences built after the 2008 NEC becomes effective. I estimate that the typical residence will cost $200.00 more due to this change alone. Supposedly great for safety. But at some point, a few dollars increase in price locks someone out of home ownership.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-22-2007 12:34:19




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Dale B, 11-22-2007 12:21:18  
Hi Dale,

I didn't know either, so I looked it up after reading that posting. It's an Arc Fault Circuit Interupter. Electrical wiring problems are said to account for 60% of house fires. A breaker that will trip when it senses arcing in the circuit should, in theory, prevent much of this. But it gets strange. Current code requires AFCI protection for bedroom outlets circuits only, if I understand it correctly. Why arc faults should be limited to bedrooms is only the first of several apparent flaws in this code. There is disagreement and controversy about it.

All the best, Stan

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MarkB_MI

11-22-2007 17:26:19




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-22-2007 12:34:19  
Stan,

I believe one reason arc fault iterrupters aren't required throughout the house is that they can't be used on three-wire circuits. Three-wire is very popular for kitchens in particular, so that pretty much precludes retrofiting AFCIs in kitchens.

Another reason that AFCIs aren't required across the board that that they are quite expensive.



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Dusty MI

11-22-2007 16:11:28




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 Re: GFCI / AFCI in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-22-2007 12:34:19  
I heard that small children like to play in bed rooms and often stick bobbie pins in electrical sockets.

Dusty



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