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OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away

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T_Bone

11-16-2007 18:01:57




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Hi Guys,

This is a huge oil story that's very important. Rueters had it first (2pmEST) then AP news wire (4:17pmEST) then Bloomberg. Look at "USO" day chart for the results of the news.

Read Bloomberg oil news comments on the lower top article right hand side of the web page "Crude Oil..."

$120/barrel oil is coming fast folks! Be prepared as analyist predictions, $5 gas@ $120/oil!

I'm in too much pain to comment on the story but I will at a later time.

T_Bone

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Wardner

11-17-2007 22:50:44




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
I am paying $1.00 per gallon for fuel oil. I check Craigslist for people who are selling their oil burners and switching to natural gas or propane.

I use a Fill-Rite 12V pump, 50' of hose, and 275 gal transfer tank in the body of my 1-ton dump truck. In many cases, I also remove the homeowners fuel tank and make a couple of bucks. My out of pocket expenses are very close to zero if not below. A pump-out and remove job takes about 2-3 hours.

I have collected about 3000 gallons since June. Not sure what I am going to do when my storage tanks (6000 gals) are full.

I suspect that most people reading this board could do the same thing. Most have a truck and are property owners. Location is important. This sideline business is especially well suited for my location in Eastern Massachusetts.

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lenray

11-17-2007 15:22:18




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
We have an oil fired boiler along with a wood fired boiler.
100 gal. of no 1` and 99 gallons of no. 2 mixed together $714.00 with a cash discount and for getting 200 gallon--ONE GALLON SHY BUT GOT THE DISCOUNT.



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Bret4207

11-17-2007 13:39:02




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
I believe we could have highly fuel efficient vehicles, but they wouldn't be the luxurious, high speed vehicles we have now. Picture something much smaller and lighter than your common F250 or Expedition with a 2 or 3 cylinder diesel, narrow high pressure tires, no A/C, power sterring, etc. Something along the lines of the Crosleys of the 40's. I doubt they'll sell till we get that $5.00 gas.



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Hound

11-17-2007 10:21:22




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
Hi T-Bone,
These oil prices, dollar fluctions and foreign ownership are pretty scarey. I"m just trying to put as much against my mortgage as possible these days...I don"t care what they say, the big R is coming.

I thought that maybe you have been feeling better. I"ve seen you posting a bit more, lately.

Take care.
Hound



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335LP

11-17-2007 10:16:04




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
The only excuse for that is political and corporate fat cat greed. They are pricing themselves to a reversal of a future soon.



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MSM

11-17-2007 01:14:38




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
Part of the reason for high commodity prices is the fast sinking dollar. The dollar has lost around 18% of its value in the last 4 years.There has been alot of discussion in financial circles about pricing commodities in Euro's which has become a stable, reliable currency.Some economists have described the dollar as a "collapsing currency"



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XRogerX

11-16-2007 19:01:06




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
I've looked through this website a number of times, and every time I do I get more and more fantastic ideas for getting off the grid. Hard to do in the city, but folks in the country might be able to use some of this info.



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RobMD

11-16-2007 18:16:18




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to T_Bone, 11-16-2007 18:01:57  
It is time for America to stop being a slave to oil. EIther that or say goodbye to the United States.



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mjbrown

11-17-2007 04:53:10




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to RobMD, 11-16-2007 18:16:18  
How? This is a country of large distances. Prior to burning oil in vehicles rural people were isolated and lived a subsistance lifestyle.



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RobMD

11-17-2007 21:55:31




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to mjbrown, 11-17-2007 04:53:10  
when you run out of gas one day, you'll find that you won't be getting to any 'long distances'.



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Fawteen

11-17-2007 02:35:42




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to RobMD, 11-16-2007 18:16:18  
Good idea.

How do you propose we go about it?



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RN

11-17-2007 13:08:36




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to Fawteen, 11-17-2007 02:35:42  
Take a lesson from the French and get most of our electrical power from nuclear plants? Use some of nuke power to convert coal to light oil/diesel fuel. Rebuild railroad network and let freight outfits add passenger cars to scheduled freight runs. Might help a bit. Could also go Amish but politicians would really get upset. RN



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VaTom

11-17-2007 04:42:27




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 Re: OT: Oil, Up, Up And Away in reply to Fawteen, 11-17-2007 02:35:42  
Conservation is always cheaper than generation.

Seems to me we're way overdue substantially higher energy prices, particularly vehicle fuel. How high is necessary to effect a consumer change that the gov't isn't willing to mandate? I've seen various predictions. CAFE is a problem that needs fixing. Market dictate is fine by me.

Looking where fuel prices are already at that level shows very different vehicles available.

Bought a new van for my wife's business two years ago. Was not able to get diesel in E150. Something very wrong with that picture. Nor is there a slightly smaller van built similar available. E150 is 18" (wasted in our case) longer than the discontinued Dodge. Minis aren't applicable, tried that.

Myself, built a house that never gets hot or cold, appropriate for about any climate. Passive Annual Heat Storage (PAHS). Next is going off-grid. Large machinery dictates substantial generation, 25 kW in my case.

Woodgas is my best bet. Which can also power a vehicle if one makes the effort. I don't drive much.

There have been a couple of very interesting hydrogen developments lately. One greatly reducing the electricity needed for generation, using biology. The other possibly doubling the efficiency of fuel cells with better fuel storage.

I'm not holding my breath, waiting. Better to get moving.

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