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I bought an M15 Armalite rifle

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Midwest redneck

11-11-2007 16:54:12




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Well after considerations on this board and looking at the warranty I bought an M15A4. Real nice rifle. Kickback isnt too bad. I need to stock up on some ammo.




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FarmallJoe

11-14-2007 15:15:18




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
cheaper than dirt .com



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GeneMO

11-13-2007 08:35:12




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
While everyone is on the topic of saving money,
for those of us lucky enough to be near Sedalia, MO. Seirra bullets moved there from California about 15 or 20 years ago. (Wonder why they left CA.?) You can walk into their outlet store in the back and buy "seconds" by the pound. Huge barrels full! Back when Slick Willie was looking like he was going to take all our guns, you had to wait in line!!

I have bought their seconds for years and for most everyday shooting cannot see any reduced accuracy. I hunt whitetail with a .270 and have shot dozens with the 130 grain boat tail.

Sometimes you will run across an obviously deformed bullet. Sometimes when they are just starting a batch you will have some with extra little skirts of lead around the tip, or one without a fully formed tip. In many cases you can flick the little skirt off with a thumbnail and still shoot it. You may have to discard 1-5% as unusable.

Sure glad I stocked up with eveything back in 1994. I will never have to buy powder, primers, or bullets if I live to be 100!

Gene

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Harry Mo.

11-13-2007 04:09:17




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
Try sportsmansguide.com



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midwest redneck

11-13-2007 02:17:55




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
I have no plans to buy a reloading setup. I only fireoff maybe a 100 rounds a year, at the most. (maybe more after buying that Armalite) But I legally cant stand on my back deck and blast off ammo. (even though I did on Sunday, just one round) State of Michigan law says that you have to be 450 feet from any other house and my neighbors house is only 150 feet away, all wooded area and he is the only close neighbor. Next closest is 500feet away. Besides, I have been told that about 1/2 mile behind me is a high ranking cop, US marshall I think and He may go nuts and get *issed off at me if he thinks I am plinking off too much ammo.

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jjamna

11-12-2007 22:45:13




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
If you decide to reload keep your eye out for a used setup. It will save you a lot of money on equipment. Most of the components have lifetime warrenty's any way. I got a RCBS Rockchucker with a set of dies and every thing but brass powder and bullets to reload for fifty bucks. You will have to find someone who has quit loading and just wants to get rid of it. If you have to buy everything new unless you are shooting a whole lot just buy cheap ammo.

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caterpillar guy

11-12-2007 18:32:30




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
I reload since some of the toys are not shelf served with shells. If you spend the bucks for the Dillon presses they are a progressive meaning after you get the press set up each pull of the lever moves the brass to a new station until they finally fall into a container completed and ready to fire. I have no idea what the accuracy is from them. They claim most of the pistol shooters shooting competion are using a Dillon press. They are out of AZ Scottsdale I think.

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old

11-12-2007 19:14:50




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to caterpillar guy, 11-12-2007 18:32:30  
Dillion is top of the line as far as reloaders. Wish I had the $$ to but one but I get by with an old lee press but I use RCBs dies. My self I like to keep a few 1000 rounds on hand if I can. You never know when the terrests will come knocking on our door again and we may need to be able to help out uncle sam in some small way

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caterpillar guy

11-12-2007 18:32:28




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
I reload since some of the toys are not shelf served with shells. If you spend the bucks for the Dillon presses they are a progressive meaning after you get the press set up each pull of the lever moves the brass to a new station until they finally fall into a container completed and ready to fire. I have no idea what the accuracy is from them. They claim most of the pistol shooters shooting competion are using a Dillon press. They are out of AZ Scottsdale I think.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-11-2007 23:22:39




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
Hi Midwest redneck,

Sounds like you got something you can have a good time with. Old gave you the short version of reloading. I've got mixed feelings about the benefits, myself. Reloading is one of those equipment intensive activities if ever there was one. In what seems like no time at all you'll have so much invested in equipment and components that the only way to have even a faint hope of breaking even is to step up your shooting to about 200 rounds a week average, and figure on keeping at it for the next 10 years. When someone says they can reload much cheaper than the cost of storebought they generally mean if they don't figure in the initial cost of the equipment and the value of their time. Also, home brew ammo is not so competitive against the steel jacketed Russian stuff you can pick up by the case at gun shows and large volume gun shops. That stuff is not competition winning ammo by any means, but if what you've got in mind is to take the rifle out for the afternoon and just mess around, maybe you don't want to be spending half a buck or more per pop to be shooting name brand ammo.

As far as accuracy is concerned, I only ever worked up one or two loads that could shoot as good as Remington, or Winchester, or Federal, or Cor-Bon standard grade ammo---forget about better. But I'm not disputing old on that one. I'll take the credit or the blame for not being able to get that figured out, because so many people claim they can do it. But mostly, I couldn't.

All the best, Stan

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old

11-12-2007 17:41:03




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-11-2007 23:22:39  
Takes a lot of time and all to get thim just right. I had a friend that reloaded and for the most part all he did other wuse was shot his hand gun. He would shoot 500-1000 rounds a week and he got good. He did a 3/4 inch group day in and day out but it took him years to do. I have 2 reloader and when you own some of the odd ball guns like I do its either reload or pay $1-2 per bullet just to shot the gun or like one I own its either reload or you don;t shot it because you can not buy rounds for it.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-13-2007 00:26:05




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to old, 11-12-2007 17:41:03  
Hi old,

You just named two of the best reasons for reloading---making it possible to afford a high volume of shooting, and making it possible to afford to shoot obsolete or wildcat cartridges. Another good reason, the main reason I reloaded in fact, is that it's relaxing, something I could do to be productive and unwind at the same time. It wasn't my intention to suggest that reloading isn't a reasonable activity, but that if your only reason for getting started is to save money, there are some things you'd better think about first. For someone who was never going to shoot more than a couple hundred rounds a year of some cartridge that can be bought for very little, reloading might be a lot of things---but it probably would never be a money saver.

All the best, Stan

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old

11-13-2007 05:41:51




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-13-2007 00:26:05  
Yep thats true. You have to look at it from both ways and figure out which is the better way. I know both reloaders I have cost me less then $100 . Both I got used and both are lees which isn't the best but they work



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T_Bone

11-13-2007 01:16:43




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-13-2007 00:26:05  
Hi Stan,

Would you please e-mail me at [email protected]
as I need to say Thank You.

My last e-mail to you did not go thru.

T_Bone



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KIP in MX

11-12-2007 17:10:52




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-11-2007 23:22:39  
Reloading is a great savings for shooting rifle (not semi auto) with cast bullets. When I was in high school, my brother and I got free wheel weights from our local tire place and molded to use in two Rem 1903A3 (his in 30-06 and mine customized to .243). With gas checks, less powder (and lower velocity), we could shoot those rifles cheaper than Dad�s .22 magnum and they were accurate for the shooting we were doing on the farm. More work cleaning bores, but hey, we had limited funds and couldn�t afford to shoot 250+ rds a week with factory loads (I even had to neck down surplus .308 brass to make .243 to save money). Also load all of our jacketed bullet rounds for rifle and handgun and they are just as accurate as factory and less expensive. You are absolutely right about initial cost of equipment, but if you really like to shoot target and critters, it�s the only way to go. Plinking is okay with the military surplus ammo. I bought some for my AR-15 and Mini-14, since they aren�t my target or hunting rifles. My M-14 gets 168 gr Sierra BTHP Match with 40 gr of IMR4064. It�s never had a factory round fired in it.

My 2 pesos.

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jokers

11-12-2007 06:04:57




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-11-2007 23:22:39  
When I was a kid and didn`t have much money I started reloading with a cheap Lyman press and die set,Lee powder measure scoops, an RCBS lube pad and the cheapest powder scale(for checking weights of scoop volumes) I could find. I didn`t have much invested in this equipment and I reloaded thousands of rounds with it so it can be done cheaply, just depends on what your time is worth.



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36 coupe

11-12-2007 05:11:57




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 11-11-2007 23:22:39  
762x39 ammo has taken a big jump in price and 223 is scarce.My wife bought a Lee press for my birthday when Lee first made one.Never shot much center fire until I got the tools.Used to load shotshells for a buck a box.Black powder was 1.25 a pound and I didnt have to show ID and fill out a form to buy it.I guess your idea is alot like not buying any tools to work on your tractor because they cost money.It is getting harder to buy supplies because of the UPS ripoff hazard fee.Once the deep snow comes and tractor is idle Ill warm up the shop and do some reloading.The cheap russian ammo has steel jackets with a copper wash on them. I like copper jackets or lead bullets.

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Stan in Oly, WA

11-13-2007 09:57:03




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to 36 coupe, 11-12-2007 05:11:57  
Hi 36 coupe,

Not buying reloading equipment to save money if you don't shoot in a way where it would save you money is like not buying tools to work on a tractor because they cost money? That's quite an analogy. I'd say you might want to try thinking a little harder before you commit that kind of statement to print for everybody to read---particularly when what you say is mean-spirited and your intention seems to be to make an insult out of the blue.

Stan

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old

11-11-2007 18:32:32




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-11-2007 16:54:12  
Learn to reload and it will save you big $$. I do it off and on and the cost is about half of what the store stuff is. Plus if you play with the loads you can get loads that will punch one hole on a target it your good enough that is



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RayP(MI)

11-12-2007 17:28:37




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to old, 11-11-2007 18:32:32  
Cost is not the only reason to reload. Experimenting and tayloring the ammo to your particular gun can be rewarding. I can get better accuracy, and use bullets not available in factory loads for my hunting rifles. Plus, I tend to run thru a lot of ommo with a semi-auto!



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old

11-12-2007 17:36:30




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 Re: I bought an M15 Armalite rifle in reply to RayP(MI), 11-12-2007 17:28:37  
Yep thats one reason I do reload. Nice to be able to get match grade bullets for you gun and then figure out just how much power to get the bullet to hit the same spot every time. Had a friend years ago that reloaded and he got mad if he shot a group bigger then 3/4 of and ich out of a hand gun.



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