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Glenn FitzGeral

11-04-2007 05:49:35




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A fellow I know is demolishing a 14x70 mobile home which is approximately a 1970 model. I bought the insulation from him and plan on using it in finishing off my attached 22x32 garage (and 14x14 cabin if there's enough). The overall skimpy construction of the mobile home amazes me. Now for my question: Are there different densities of fiberglass insulation? The exterior walls were 2x4 construction with 3 and 1/2" unfaced fiberglass bats. However, the bats are so "light". I'm thinking I may double layer it in my garage walls...?

Any comments?


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circus

11-04-2007 15:59:21




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 11-04-2007 05:49:35  
I'd be more concerned with mangled insulation. It's cheap new and the worst part is installation. Hate to go through the hassle just to have the cold air go around it through holes and loose seams.



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Stan in Oly, WA

11-04-2007 10:14:46




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 11-04-2007 05:49:35  
Hi Glenn,

During the 35 years that I've actively remodeled houses (with breaks to try to find something that payed better and didn't involve blood loss,) I've come to the conclusion that only soundproofing is more poorly understood than insulating. I don''t mean that it's like the electrical field where specific, accurate information exists but is poorly understood by non-professionals. My experience leads me to believe that even the so-called experts usually have a poor grasp of the technical aspects of insulation.

Whether reading articles or books about it, or talking with insulation contractors, you always get a certain amount of contradictory information. A major example would be the issue of super-insulated houses which were considered state of the art in the late 70's and early 80's. After a great number of them had been built or retrofitted, it was discovered that insufficient allowance had been considered for air exchange, and the air inside a super-insulated house would soon become unhealthy just from living in it. Before (expensive and relatively inefficient) heat retaining air exchangers were developed for (expensive and relatively infuriating) retrofit, some utility companies and insulation information experts recommended that the occupants of a super-insulated house simply open an exterior door every hour of so, letting the contaminated heated air out, and replacing it with clean unheated air. See anything wrong with this picture?

Later, it developed that the previously disputed subject of where and how to install the vapor barrier, or barriers, had, in many instances, resulted in waterlogged insulation and rotting framing members---two conditions that owners of newly constructed or recently remodeled houses probalby wished they hadn't paid extra for.

Then there's the dismal, but equally disastrous episode concerning the toxicity of polyurea formaldehyde insulation, at one time hailed as a miracle of inexpensive, high R value blow-in retrofitting (and new mobile home construction.)

You don't have to be a student of construction history to see that insulation information leaves a lot to be desired. You can demonstrate it to yourself using simple arithmetic. Most of the time I was involved in residential remodeling, fiberglass batt insulation was rated at R-11 for 2X4 framed walls, R-19 for 2X6. A previous poster stated that the values are now R-13 and R-19. Different materials and different forms of the same material have always provided different R values, but if batts for 2X4 channels went from R-11 to R-13, shouldn't the same insulation for 2X6 channels have gone from R-19 to R-22.5? More fundamentally, how was it that batts of a material would provide a value of R-11 when fit snugly in a 3.5 X 14.5 channel, but R-19 when fit snugly in a 5.5 X 14.5 channel? Where did the extra R-1.7 come from? (Do the math.) If there's some benefit from the configuration of a 2X6 framed wall relative to a 2X4 framed one, why does the value stay at R-19 whether the 2X6 wall is framed 16" O.C. or 24" O.C.?

I'm not trying to make a case here, just give a hint of the amount of misinformation, and the bottom-line lack of solid information that seems to plague this field.

So, good luck, Stan

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dougn

11-04-2007 07:13:56




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 11-04-2007 05:49:35  
Mobile home walls were often R11.



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Lee in Iowa

11-04-2007 06:18:00




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 11-04-2007 05:49:35  
You want loft in insulation the more air it traps the better it insulates. If you double layer and compress it to get it in you will reduce the insulating value. Lee



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Glenn F.

11-04-2007 06:28:59




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Lee in Iowa, 11-04-2007 06:18:00  
I understand the "loft" concept but this is some pretty light stuff.

Glenn



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Midwest redneck

11-04-2007 06:00:32




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 Re: Mobile Home Insulation in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 11-04-2007 05:49:35  
I know that there are 2 R values for 2x4 walls, R11 and R13. R13 is used in homes and R11 used in basements and garages. However there is spray in foam insulation used in 2x4 walls that is a R19 value. (polystyrene) it gives superior insulation properties to fiberglass.



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