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Ryan - WI

10-31-2007 18:01:36




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I will be having students mount and balance tires in my auto class this year. Rather than getting all of the different sizes and weights of balancing weights I was thinking of getting a set for steel rims and then just using stick on weights for all the aluminum and chrome wheels. I am thinking this will save me a lot of weights laying around and thusfar less overhead. It isn't going to be anything where I go through hundreds of weights a year or anything. Does that sound like a feasible idea to the experts or am I way off base and I should just go ahead and spend the hundreds to get all the clamp ons of different sizes and have them on hand.

Also, I have to order the weights and have them shipped in as there is not a tire supply anywhere local. Any suggestions on finding them cheaply?

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iowa_tire_guy

10-31-2007 18:33:00




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-31-2007 18:01:36  
Reusing weights would be an idea and it would save you quite a bit. I am always looking for someone to carry off my weight bucket. And you could have the kids in detention sort out the weights by size and clamp type. I have heard that in some states it is illegal to reuse weights but if these are practice and don't hit the road it wouldn't be a problem. Your idea of using the stick on weights is good also. They work fine as long as you take time to clean the wheel where they are to stick with a cleaner. I like brake cleaner. It wouldn't hurt to ask a tire shop to order some stick on weights for you. The problem is the cost of shipping. I can buy them cheaper than from the guy in the pickup who comes around but with no shipping he is the best deal.

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Ryan - WI

10-31-2007 18:40:03




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 10-31-2007 18:33:00  
ITG, they will be mounting and balancing. I plan to start them on a bald set of sixteen inch tires with a set of al and a set of steel rims. However, already one day after the tire changer finally arrived I already have had about six kids that are planning on taking the course and want to do the tires for there car. Knowing that some of them will indeed hit the road would you suggest used weights or stick ons. I realize I could charge the kids for weights but that gets to be quite a hassle either we me having to have change on hand or turning in bills to the office.

Also, any idea where I could go to find out of reused weights are illegal in WI?

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iowa_tire_guy

10-31-2007 19:53:08




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-31-2007 18:40:03  
Really the illegal thing only comes into play in a liability situation. And the odds of that are pretty small. If you really want to know then contact the Wisconsin tire dealers association. www.watda.org/ The problem with what you want to do is that there aren't really only 2 types of weights anymore. There are probably more like 6 styles you can run into. You would probably be amazed at my weight inventory and I still miss once in a while. And as I mentioned in my last post even if you got the used weights then someone would have to sort them out by style and weight. And it wouldn't hurt the students to learn to do stick on weights. I find myself using them more and more primarily on wheels where they don't want weights on the outside. So I think it is a good idea for what you want to do. Your balancer may have different settings for stick on than clamp ons because they are being put on a different place on the wheel.

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Ryan - WI

10-31-2007 20:33:35




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to iowa_tire_guy, 10-31-2007 19:53:08  
I will plan on contacting the WATDA tommorrow. Do you know is the primary concern of liability if they fly off and hit something? I wouldn't think that it not being there would cause the wheel bearings to immediately be damaged or anything.

I have looked into all the types of weights out there. That is kind of waht prompted this post. I really don't want to have to buy 60 some sizes and types of weights.

The balancer does indeed have a settting for stick on weights inside the rim.

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iowa_tire_guy

11-01-2007 04:49:01




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-31-2007 20:33:35  
As I recall it was what I would call an overreaction of the nanny state. There were some cases of weights flying off and injuring someone so the public needed to be protected. But I have had new weights come off also if the wrong one was used or just put on wrong. You might ask the WATDA for some help in the project. Might just be a dealer willing to help you. Everyone like positive PR. Probably 80% of the wheels use 2 types of weights but the newer ones are getting into the different styles.

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J.M.B.

10-31-2007 18:20:33




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-31-2007 18:01:36  
I agree with NPT. Used weights will work just fine. Stick-on weights are a waste of time and money.



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NTP

10-31-2007 18:08:09




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to Ryan - WI, 10-31-2007 18:01:36  
Simply go to a tire place, explain what you are trying to do and they will save the old weights for you. I have been using used weights for over 30 years, and I can only remember one time where I lost a weight, and who knows why that one came off.



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rustyj

11-08-2007 13:26:55




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 Re: Seeking Wheel/Tire experts in reply to NTP, 10-31-2007 18:08:09  
I used stick-on weights when i bal;anced the tires on my motorcycle. They stuck like glue, and were still in place after 3 years, when i sold the bike! I couldn't find any place to balance the wheel/tires, so i set the wheel on two safety stands, turning on the bike axle. Then i stuck the weights on with some masking tape, so i could move them to get it right. After i got done with it, i then glued the weights on permanently!

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