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Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl

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chuckinnc

10-31-2007 10:43:41




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My Snapper w/14hp briggs wont crank anymore, I noticed a loose wire but cnat figure out where it goes. There is a switch? with 2 wires mounted to the bottom of carburator bowl on my 14hp snapper mower, normally there would be a adjustment screw there. I dont know much about these new engines but i hoping i can bypass it sense i dont
know where the wires go.




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JoeK(WI)

11-01-2007 11:52:51




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to chuckinnc, 10-31-2007 10:43:41  
Fuel cutoff solenoid,on bottom of carb should NOT keep engine from cranking.Sounds like you have a bad safety switch(seat,reverse,PTO,neutral,etc).



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Nolan

11-01-2007 03:32:33




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to chuckinnc, 10-31-2007 10:43:41  
You've got two wires, and a true switch with two connectors over in the carburetor adjustment area? In that case, I'd just connect to two lose wires to the two contacts on the switch and see if it starts.

I honestly can't think of any two wire switch I've seen in the past on the carburetor linkage.

Many have a kill switch on the carburetor linkage. But this is just a single wire that grounds out when the throttle is thrown to the fully closed position.

On the carburetor itself there can be a fuel cutoff solenoid. This can be either a main jet supply or fuel inlet supply, I've seen both. This piece is almost always a single wire unit, grounding through the carburetor body.

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Charles (in GA)

10-31-2007 13:24:52




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to chuckinnc, 10-31-2007 10:43:41  
I've had problems with this on a neighbors 20hp Briggs V twin. What you see is a solenoid operated needle type fuel shutoff valve. Fuel from the float bowl thru the jets passes thru this enroute to the throat of the carb. If it isn't powered or doesn't open, the engine won't run. Low battery will also keep it from working, you start cranking and the voltage drops low enough that the solenoid closes the needle due to the low volts.

The purpose of the needle is to ensure a clean shutdown and no runon or dieseling when you kill the engine, by stopping the fuel flow in the carb.

I found the neighbors very gummed up with green gum from the gas, Remove it and carefully cleaned the needle and the bore with scotchbrite and it worked OK for about a year. Then it got to working intermittently and this was the old type without a ground wire, used the carb for a ground. I ended up replacing it with a new one, that had a ground wire. Works great now, makes a loud click sound when you turn the key switch on.

Jacks Small Engines has illustrated parts books for the Briggs engines online. You need the model number off the engine. A little tedious to wade thru and slow, you need a broadband connection, but you can find all the parts you need. You also need to know what brand of carb you have for most engines, such as Nikki, look on the carb for the name cast into it.

Charles

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tomturkey

10-31-2007 11:59:59




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to chuckinnc, 10-31-2007 10:43:41  
My solenoid fuel switch would continue to allow fuel into the carb, thus flooding the cylinders with fuel. Had to force it to turn til it puked all the fuel out of the cylinder b4 it would crank with starter and run. I put a maual fuel cut-off valve in the line --no more problems gobble



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Annn

10-31-2007 23:23:52




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to tomturkey, 10-31-2007 11:59:59  
Just a little clarification here.

That solenoid doesn't stop fuel from entering the carb. Only from entering the main jet. If you have a leaking float valve (which is what stops the fuel from entering the carb), it'll overflow the bowl, and then run in to the engine and flood the cylinders.

In order for that solenoid to stop fuel from entering the carb, it would have to be mounted where the fuel line enters the carb, and not on the bottom of the bowl.

The inline fuel shutoff is the best cure for this problem, other than replacing the needle valve and set or the float if necessary. The inline shut off guarantees the flow has stopped, as long as you remember to close it of course.

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RN

10-31-2007 11:21:47




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 Re: Whats the switch on the bottom of carbburator bowl in reply to chuckinnc, 10-31-2007 10:43:41  
Carb switch? Solenoid- fuel shutoff, might find a plain jet needle someplace to replace it but doubtfull. Check library for manual with wiring diagram or brain pick the dealer. New mowers have safety switches/relays to stop engine when rider is unseated or prevent starts when in gear, mower engaged. Safety switches known to fail and engine won't start- designed for safety and avoid lawsuits for making unsafe machine. What year is mower? RN

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