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Kermit

07-02-2001 11:27:25




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Has anyone had expericence with the pressure washers that hook up to the garden hose and have tanks for different types of cleaning solutions and small gas engines to power them? Are they worth buying, or not powerful enough to use for washing very dirty farm equipment? I was considering purchasing one from either the Deere dealer or Sears. Opinions please.




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RayP(MI)

07-03-2001 17:49:28




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
I have a one powered by a 5.5 Honda, 2200 psi, and 3gpm. I would not recommend a lesser machine. The diasppointment is that it has low pressure injection for chemicals. The soap or whatever is injected beyond the pump, so the chemicals do not go through the pump, Which is probably a good deal to protect the pump form corrosives, but it doesn't clean as well as if the soap or whatever was under high pressure. Most are made that way. Electrics are not even in the running, you can only drive so much with a 15 or 20 amp 110v. motor - in spite of the wishful specifications of some of the manufacturers. One of the posts below says that the gpm figure is important, and he is right.

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Poppin' Johnny

07-03-2001 14:00:49




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
I've used a Coleman powermate 1600 PSI with I think a 3.5 horse Briggs for a few years and it works great. Never had any problems with it, except I had to replace the wand because for some reason it froze and busted in my heated shop. I'm always washing my combine, tractor, or something else.



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john brunson

07-03-2001 13:40:03




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
the spec to look for is NOT pressure but ***volume***...I would rather have a 1000 psi 3.5 gallon per minute than a 2500 psi 1.5 gallon per minute any day. Yes hot water works better.. but if you coat the machine with a de-greaser before anything else and then pressure wash it it will work just as well.... also a **warm** machine helps too - just be careful not to crack a casting when you cool it due to stressing of cooling from running temperature to temperature of water

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Mikey

07-03-2001 20:38:02




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 Re: Re: Pressure washers. in reply to john brunson, 07-03-2001 13:40:03  
John,
I agree 100% about the hot water. I have an older 110v water heater hooked inline with a mixer valve for my 300psi washer. I usually turn it on an hour or so before I use it to let the water get up to temp.

Been doin' this for 4 years and no problems yet.

My nickels worth!

Mikey



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Larry Garbarek

07-03-2001 07:34:44




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
There is no question that hot water will greatly increase the number of jobs you can do faster with any pressure washer.

But, I've read that some cold water washers have seals that will not last when using hot water.

I don't know if this is true but you might ask if the unit you are interested in buying can hold up to hot water use.



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bbott

07-03-2001 06:19:21




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
The cheap units from Sears, Costco etc. (by cheap I mean $350-$450) will do ok for homeowner use and you'll be amazed at how you ever got by without one.

If you can afford it though, get a good one.. see Northern Tool (www.northerntool.com) for a good selection, they also have good info on their pages.

Whatever you get, you want 5 HP minimum, Honda engine, about 3000 PSI.



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Ray,IN

07-02-2001 20:00:29




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
Before I started using a HP washer on my equiptment I looked the equiptment over carefully. I found that most bearings/bushings are not protected enough to avoid forcing water into them. I now hand wash when absolutely necessary, otherwise I blow off the dust/dirt/chaff etc. with the leaf blower and air hose while avoiding the bushings/bearings as much as possible. Then I service the equiptment before garaging and I sometimes find worn/broken or ready to break parts. This may be overkill to some but after 21 yrs. in the Army it's just habit to me.

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Dean

07-02-2001 11:47:30




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 Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Kermit, 07-02-2001 11:27:25  
Small pressure washers that use HOT water can clean every bit as well, or better, than large powerful ones using cold water. Hot water also reduces or eliminates the need for chemicals. Nothern Tool also sells them.



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Mark Kw

07-02-2001 12:40:44




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 Re: Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Dean, 07-02-2001 11:47:30  
I'll second what Dean said and add that the actual delivered pressure at the nozzle and spray patten will determin the cleaning power more than anything.

These machines, just like so many others, are rated at their highest possible numbers to make them look good. A 1500 psi unit in reality may only give you 1000 psi at the tip. The amount of pressure and volume losses will be determined by the horsepower of of the motor/engine driving the pump, the number and sizes of in-line hose fittings, valves, nozzle and hose itself.

I strongly suggest getting one with changable nozzles. Wide fan for larger area or lower pressure cleaning and strait stream for heavy duty cleaning in a small area. Even a small cheap 1200 psi cold water unit will do some good cleaning if the right nozzle is combined with a slower cleaning process. Cold water will not remove oil as well as hot water or steam but will leave only a thin film layer behind. Most chemicals don't help much when using only cold water. If you are not looking for high volume cleaning, you could use a cold water unit to pre-wash the surface then do some old fashioned scrubbing with warm water and a brush and rinsing with the pressure unit again.

This is one item that you get what you pay for. I priced a good unit myself just a few weeks ago. For what I need, hot water/steam, 6000 psi, super heavy duty .... the $7900 price is not easy to swallow until you see the amount of work it will do.

Cat brand is about the highest rated pump for reliability and life span, of course I think their smallest one runs around $350 for the pump alone. You may not need something that will be used every day or for extended periods of time so you need to shop around and buy the best unit to fit your needs and take price as secondary. If you're unsure of what you want, spend a few bucks and rent one you think will do what you need and try it for a day. The 30 or 40 bucks for the rent may be money well spent as opposed to dropping say $800 and not getting a machine that will work for what you want or need.

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Greaseman

07-03-2001 08:00:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Mark Kw, 07-02-2001 12:40:44  
I will recomend to anyone wanting to purchase something of great expence that you may or may not be using everyday. And that is simply: rent one!!



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Big Jim

07-03-2001 12:21:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Pressure washers. in reply to Greaseman, 07-03-2001 08:00:54  
Excellent advice from Greaseman and Mark Kw. If you are unsure, rent a unit first and see if they'll perform like you want.



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