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What kind of a tool is this?

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Dan in Houston

10-28-2007 07:33:11




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My grandfather bought this at an estate sale. He collected old and unusual tools, but we've never figured out what this thing is. It is marked "The Keystone Mfg Co" "Buffalo, NY" and "141" with another character after the 141 that cannot be read. The head has a rachet mechanism that is controlled by a rod down through the handle. This thing is very heavy and well made. It has some unusual wear markings. I've shown this to a lot of people and nobody has a clue what it does or what it could be used for.

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John Garner

10-30-2007 12:19:07




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 It's a ratchet drill in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
Dan --

It's a "ratchet drill", an old-fashion tool used to drill large holes in metal by muscle power. I believe that Armstrong Brothers Tool Company still catalogs one today, along with the "drill crow" (aka "old man") that is often needed to hold it down.

The square taper socket drives a square taper drill tang that is similar to but larger than that used in a carpenter's brace and bit.

More at the attached link.

John

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Dan in Houston

10-30-2007 17:59:38




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 Re: It's a ratchet drill in reply to John Garner, 10-30-2007 12:19:07  
Thanks, the picture in the link you provided is almost identical - that's what it is.

I knew that someone on this forum would have the answer.



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RegoR

10-30-2007 06:42:32




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
Hi Dan,

I can't read the tape measure. What is the square hole size and the overall length of the tool?
Are you saying that the handle grip rotates and ratchets the head?
Is the ratcheting reversible?
Could it be used for a fire hydrant or a boiler valve?

Roger



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Dan in Houston

10-30-2007 10:39:51




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to RegoR, 10-30-2007 06:42:32  
The square hole is tapered like the taper you see on wood bits, but much larger, probably about 5/8 to 3/4". I have a 1" wood bit, but the shank is too small for this thing to grip, as the taper doesn't go down to a point. One of the replies below says that this is a brace to drill between studs or rafters. It may be, but there is no locking mechansim or chuck to hold a bit in place.
The overall length is about 17", and the rachet is reversible by rotating a knob on the end of the handle. I don't think it was meant to be used for a hydrant or boiler valve, as the square hole is not large enough for something like that. The head is knurled to provide a good grip, but there is nothing else on that end to suggest any other use but as a grip. There are 4 holes around the curcumference near the end of the head, and they are pretty boogered up by something being inserted into them. But they are not large enough to add any significant leverage by inserting a pry-bar - the handle provides plenty of leverage as it is. The end of the knurled handle part has a sort of round pointed end, like it might fit into some sort of recess during use, but it is not scarred up from use.
The idea of it being some kind of close quarters drill is the most likely so far, but it still seems way to heavily made. There is no obvious way to apply downward pressure during use, so any bit would have to be self feeding all the way.
It might be some sort of tap handle for large machine use, perhaps meant to be used in a lathe or something.
thanks for your interest, this thing has stumped a lot of people.

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JV3CII

10-30-2007 12:35:21




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-30-2007 10:39:51  
It's an engineers ratchet drill (we call them an engineers brace here).

What you have is a twist drill for cutting metal with a tapered square shank that fits into the socket. Some of the later ones had a morse taper socket, to allow the use of standard drills (I have a 1935 tool catalogue showing several different designs, including one up to 3MT!!).

With good support and a well sharpened drill, you can bore an inch and a half hole in steel quite quickly and with surprisingly little effort (effort needed being directly proportional to the bluntness of the drill LOL).

I have one that belonged to my grandfather that still gets used (very occasionally). I will try to remember to take a couple of pics of the kit and post them on here...

Cheers, JV.

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Kent in KC

10-29-2007 13:23:30




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
It's an articulated skyhook.



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supera3

10-29-2007 03:55:52




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
My uncle had an old safe, the door closed like a giant screw. A crank like that was used to open it.



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J.T.L.

10-28-2007 14:03:24




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
The old wood bits for a hand brace fit into the square hole. Most times used between basement rafters to drill holes for the old BX cable used for electrical wiring years ago. The other end went against the next rafter for pressure to push the bit. You could not fit a regular Brace & Bit between the rafters because the over-all length was to long.

John



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Dan in Houston

10-28-2007 16:35:07




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to J.T.L., 10-28-2007 14:03:24  
The square hole is tapered like the shanks of wood bits, but the hole is much larger - the square shanks of the bits I have (up to 1") are way too small. They must have had some big bits for this thing.



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tinyy

10-28-2007 11:51:48




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to Dan in Houston, 10-28-2007 07:33:11  
Check the link and see if any look like yors



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JoeK(WI)

10-29-2007 05:09:48




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 Re: What kind of a tool is this? in reply to tinyy, 10-28-2007 11:51:48  
Some of the old socket sets had a separate square"peg"(not attached to the rachet)that plugged into whichever side(directon)of the handle you were going in."Might" be an aux handle for such use,if hole is 1/2 or 3/4".Elsewise I'd guess it was a specialty tool of sorts for square head hardware.



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