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Perkins diesel expert needed

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Robert J Spence

06-30-2001 18:24:45




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I am presently breaking in a new ( not re-built) Perkins 3013, 3 cylinder engine.
When I recieved it new it had 4 hours on it and the oil already appeared dirty on the dipstick.
I changed the oil at 16 hours because it was so dirty and now at 26 hours it is dirty again.
On a cold start-up it needs glow plugs and it seems to run on 2 cylinders for a minute.
What are the possible causes of this on this brand new engine from the Perkins factory?
Thanks... R Spence

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Nathan(GA)

07-03-2001 12:22:10




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 Re: Perkins diesel expert needed in reply to Robert J Spence, 06-30-2001 18:24:45  
I'm no expert. We used Lincoln SA 250 welders for years. They have the 3cyl perkins engines. Not sure if the same as yours. They NEVER needed ether or other starting aids. They'd fire right up at 20 degrees(doesn't get much colder here). My friends MF 165 does the same thing.

If it's new, contact the warranty folks.



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bbott

07-03-2001 06:28:43




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 Re: Perkins diesel expert needed in reply to Robert J Spence, 06-30-2001 18:24:45  
Agree with Greg.. If you have warranty I'd start talking to an authorized service agent right away. If you don't have a warranty, get a compression check run, that will tell the story.

Sounds like the rings haven't seated properly. That would explain the hard start, cold miss and the dirty oil syndrome.

I have 2 Perkins and they both start instantly and run very clean.

My uncle had a 'bad' Perkins right from the factory.. they sent out a technician and replaced all the pistons, rings, rods and crank right on the farm. That was in 1964.. and that engine is still running good..

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Greg D.

07-01-2001 09:26:38




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 Re: Perkins diesel expert needed in reply to Robert J Spence, 06-30-2001 18:24:45  
You seem to be having more luck on the tractor spot than the tool board here!!! Will repeat it again here, DON`T screw arond with this engine if it has any warranty on it!!!!! Call the Perkins dealer and relate your problem to him. There is NO way this engine should need a preheater of any type unless you are now living in an igloo and also have a dog sled. I don`t kow what type of set up your engine uses, but 4.236 and the 1000 series use a fuel preheater not a cylinder preheater. You can NOT judge oil by color. If however you feel there is a mechanial problem causing oil contamination have the filter removed and cut open to see if anything is in the filter paper. Good luck with your problem and let us know how it works out

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Mark Kw

07-02-2001 12:56:50




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 Re: Re: Perkins diesel expert needed in reply to Greg D., 07-01-2001 09:26:38  
I'm no engine wrench by a long shot but I have serviced some Perkies, oil, filters, ect. Dirty oil means nothing in reality. Being a new engine, I would not think that oil would dirty so quickly however, you must look at all aspects of this as well.

What are the operating conditions?
How good is the fuel you're using?
How clean is the air filter?
Is the engine running correctly?
Is something damaged on the engine?
What type of engine crankcase oil are you using?
With such low hours, I would suggest following Greg's advice and calling the dealer/service rep. first.

Bad fuel would be my first suspect on the gripe. I know of two perkies that have well over 5000 hours on them and there is no problem with starting even when the temps are down below 30F unless the fuel is gelled or has water in it. If you're using heating oil or marine fuel, the blend may be off which will cause the same problems, dirty oil and hard starting.

These engine like nice clean filters and plenty of air too. I've seen them run smokey because of plugged air filters that actually look clean.

The crankcase oil means a lot too. Junk oil will cause many problems with engine diesel or gas. If the C-C oil is junk, you may have already caused serious damage to the engine components even with low hours.

Warranty or not, best to get a pro wrench in there that is qualified to work on Perkins engines. I had a Cummins that ran me in circles trying to figure out why it was not running properly. I wasted many hours and many dollars trying to fix it myself. I gave up and finally called in the Cummins service wrench who replaced the one bad O-ring in the injection pump in less than 5 minutes and billed me a whole 50 bucks. If I had just done that to begin with, I would have saved about $400.

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