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Steve in Idaho

10-22-2007 15:51:28




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I need to know what 1/10 of a degree of angle would equal in 1/1000" when considering the circumference of a 6" circle. I have an electronic angle indicator that is accurate to 1/10 of a degree and it is 6" in length. I need to know how many 1/1000" 1/10 of a degree would equal in 6". Thanks Steve




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Joe(TX)

10-24-2007 09:11:25




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
Some people took the hard route.
It's the circumfrance (6 times pi) divided by 3600, or .0052



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-24-2007 09:32:36




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 Re: math question in reply to Joe(TX), 10-24-2007 09:11:25  
Hi Joe,

Several people also came up with that figure (though none stated the process as concisely as you) but the real problem is that he only described it as a 6" circle. Diameter would be my guess, too, but there's no reason it couldn't be circumference, or even radius (probably not area, although that's another possibility.)

All the best, Stan



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Pooh Bear

10-23-2007 23:18:00




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
I'm not sure what is being asked here.

Is the circle 6 inches or 12 inches in diameter.

And what measurement are you wanting.

Are you wanting a measurement of the arc length

or are you wanting a measurement of the diagonal displacement.

For a 6 inch diameter circle:

----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----

Displacement:

sqrt((3-3*cos(.1))^2+(3*sin(.1)-0)^2) = .00523598709141089725982

Arc Length:

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I would work this out but the batteries in my calculator are dead.

And the problem has too many square roots to do manually.

And the solution would still be between .005 and .006 (closer to .005).

Pooh Bear

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tech4

10-22-2007 19:27:50




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
OK I will make a fool of myself since I only had one year of algebra and flunked that and maybe I don�t even understand the question but here goes.
If the circumference around the circle is 6� then that translates to 6000/1000 and there are 360 degrees in a circle then 1 degree would equal 6000 divided by 360 for an answer of 16.66666/1000 or .0166 and 1/10 degree would be .0166 divided by 10 for .00166 or 1.66 thousands. Maybe I don�t understand the question.

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Stan in Oly, WA

10-22-2007 22:07:26




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 Re: math question in reply to tech4, 10-22-2007 19:27:50  
Hi tech4,

It's very hard to believe you ever flunked algebra. Algebra is particularly accessible to people with minds which can reduce information to orderly, understandable elements---like you just did. If you really had trouble with algebra, it must have been awhile back. If that soured you on the subject, maybe you should take another look at it on your own. About the amount of algebra you would get in two or three college quarters (short of the advanced algebra you need to ease into calculus) is actually quite useful in real world applications---and you can teach it to yourself surprisingly quickly with a good self-study text.

My semi-outsider's take on the major areas of high school math is that geometry is almost pure logic; it teaches you the value of careful linear thinking. Algebra is about the manipulation of values in equilibrium. It teaches a method of problem solving that really trancends math, IMHO. Trig is about the manipulation of simple mathematical relationships; it would be the most useful basic math for working people except that it's essentially useless without a calculator that costs about $10 (to distinguish it from the ones that are, for practical purposes, free), and, for me, it just rises above that threshold of things I can keep in my mind without using regularly. Calculus is the point at which you cross into a way of describing complicated situations purely in terms of math. It has enormous real world applications, but none for the casual user, because there are no casual users. That's my take, anyway.

All the best, Stan

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Stan in Oly, WA

10-22-2007 22:19:55




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 PS in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 10-22-2007 22:07:26  
tech4,

Nobody understood Steve's question because he failed to specify how the 6" measurement related to the circle---radius, diameter, or circumference. Every answer was correct for whatever dimension was used. The answer for a circle with an AREA of 6 (square) inches hasn't been submitted yet.



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Matthew H

10-22-2007 18:26:05




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
Steve, I think all the answers are correct depending on what the question really is. Your first sentence may imply a circle that is 6 inches around (circumference). If so, no one gave you that answer yet. Many assumed you had a circle 12 across (dia). I think you may have an angle indicator that is 6 inches long. Thus if you drew a circle with it the circle would be 12 inches across. If so, a correct answer is 10.47 thousandths inch.

Excuse the details, but it also could make a difference if you need the arc length around the circle or the straight line distance across part of the circle. At 1/10 degree, there is no measureable difference. But at 45 degrees there is 1/2 inch difference.

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MarkB_MI

10-22-2007 18:21:46




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
OK, the solution, using trigonometry:

The radius (r) of your circle is 6/2=3 inches.
The length of the arc we will call "y" is .001 inches.

For very small angles, the length of the arc (for a radius of one) is close enough to the sine that we can use the sine instead.

angle = arcsine(y/r) = arcsine(.001/3) = arcsine(.00033)
angle = .019 degrees

So a tenth of a degree is about .005 inches.

Another solution, using geometry:

The circumference of the circle is pi*d, and there are 360 degrees in the circle. So the total circumference is 3.1415 * 6 = 18.85 inches. Since 360 degrees equals 18.85 inches, .001 inches is .001 inches * (360 degrees /18.85 inches) = .019 degrees. Same answer as before: Each tenth of a degree is about .005 inches.

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circus

10-22-2007 17:46:32




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
I agree with Joe in the Snow. The confussion is from the angle thingee. if one end is at the axis and the other end is at the circumference, It's a 12-in dia circle.



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mechanicfred

10-22-2007 17:02:43




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
.005235



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Joe in the snow

10-22-2007 16:16:34




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
If the 6" measurement is the radius of your circle your circumference will be a little more than 37.7 inches which gives you slightly less than 10 degrees per inch so .1 degree should equal .0010 inch. Do your calculations for your circumference to at least four dec pts and you can come up with a precise figure instead of my top of the head estimate.



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Kevin (FL)

10-22-2007 16:10:25




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
Steve,

My quick-calcs without double checking (wife waiting for me for supper)

Pi x d= circumference

circ= 18.8496"

360 degrees in a circle, so along the circumference you should have .0524 inches per degree and then .0052" per 1/10 of a degree. Hope thats what you were looking for. (Wasn't 100% sure of what you were asking.)



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10-22-2007 16:07:31




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
.0052356



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Bob - MI

10-22-2007 16:06:50




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
Steve,

Find the sine of 1 degree. This is roughly .017" per inch. Multiply by 3 (radius of 6" dia). Divide by 10.



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Davis In SC

10-22-2007 20:34:31




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 Re: math question in reply to Bob - MI, 10-22-2007 16:06:50  
Great minds think alike.. LOL... That is the way I figured it out in my head, before I saw your post. Only difference is that I use .0175/inch.



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WBinPA

10-22-2007 16:06:46




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 Re: math question in reply to Steve in Idaho, 10-22-2007 15:51:28  
My figure is .0052 or five and one half thousanths. Find circumference: PI X diameter (6in).
Divide circumference by 360 to get distance per degree. divide by 10 for tenth of a degree.. My calculator does not have PI, so I used 3.141. Use whatever recipe for PI you want.



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