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Hi tech4, It's very hard to believe you ever flunked algebra. Algebra is particularly accessible to people with minds which can reduce information to orderly, understandable elements---like you just did. If you really had trouble with algebra, it must have been awhile back. If that soured you on the subject, maybe you should take another look at it on your own. About the amount of algebra you would get in two or three college quarters (short of the advanced algebra you need to ease into calculus) is actually quite useful in real world applications---and you can teach it to yourself surprisingly quickly with a good self-study text. My semi-outsider's take on the major areas of high school math is that geometry is almost pure logic; it teaches you the value of careful linear thinking. Algebra is about the manipulation of values in equilibrium. It teaches a method of problem solving that really trancends math, IMHO. Trig is about the manipulation of simple mathematical relationships; it would be the most useful basic math for working people except that it's essentially useless without a calculator that costs about $10 (to distinguish it from the ones that are, for practical purposes, free), and, for me, it just rises above that threshold of things I can keep in my mind without using regularly. Calculus is the point at which you cross into a way of describing complicated situations purely in terms of math. It has enormous real world applications, but none for the casual user, because there are no casual users. That's my take, anyway. All the best, Stan
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