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Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them????

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Pappy

06-28-2001 13:35:22




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My son has a complete set of dead-blow hammers. (Snap On)He paid the price of a Buick for them. Now, he wants me to buy a set for my tool chest. Are dead-blow hammers worth the price?? I did use them to move the hubs on a 1940 "B", and they worked well. What is your opinion?




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John Garner

06-29-2001 18:28:09




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Pappy --

Mostly, I use an $8 made-in-Taiwan pseudo-clone (it's made of some plastic other than urethane, but I forget which plastic) of the Compothane (now Stanley) Compo-Cast urethane-cased dead-blow hammer and love it. For some things. It works well for driving wooden pieces together when I play cabinetmaker, it works well for driving a wood chisel when I play carpenter, it works well for seating a workpiece into a machine vise when I play machinist, and it works fairly well to smack wrenches when I play mechanic. I say fairly well, because I can't hold onto the blankety-blank thing if my hand is oily . . . the knob on the end of the handle helps only a little bit. In my experience, the genuine Compo-Cast hammers are every bit as slippery.

For driving cold chisels and pin punches, the Compo-Cast steel-faced dead-blow hammer is a wonderful tool, but again, only with dry hands.

Vaughn & Bushnell has their variation of a dead-blow hammer that is real nice, and the Nupla version is ok also. Nupla also makes a handle-less version they call "The Thumper" in a couple of sizes and colors for $8 to $10 that is a champion for machine set-up work. I'd be happy with any of these, but my favorite dead-blow hammers are the ones P. B. Baumann makes in Switzerland. These guys have white nylon (?) faces and a rubber grip that hasn't slipped yet even when my hands are oily or wet.

The only problem I have with the Baumann hammers? They're too pretty to use for dirty work.

We go through a fair number of the Snap-On dead blow hammers at work. The hammers themselves aren't all that bad (although I prefer the V&B, Nupla, and Compo-Cast clone), but they sure do grow legs fast. Since the hammers I like better are available for quite a few bucks less than the Snap-Ons, you know which ones I'd choose. But I would not want to be without dead-blow hammers . . . they do indeed have their place.

John

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Tourqie

06-29-2001 14:24:17




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Not to argue with the folks that think a dead blow is less efficient than a steel sledge, however, I've been using them for seventeen years, day in and day out. Hit your hand or finger with one and you will wish it had been steel. The steel sledge is the inefficient one. If both weigh the same, it takes the same energy to get them both moving the same speed. The inefficiency of the steel shows up in the bounce (wasted energy), while the dead blow transfers all energy to the object you are striking.

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Tourqie

06-29-2001 14:20:57




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Not to argue with the folks that think a dead blow is less efficent than a steel sledge, however, I've been using them for seventeen years day in and day out. Hit your hand or finger with one and you will wish it had been steel. The steel sledge is the inefficient one. If both weigh the same, it takes the same energy to get them both moving the same speed. The inefficiency of the steel shows up in the bounce (wasted energy), while the dead blow transfers all energy to the object you are striking.

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Nathan(GA)

06-29-2001 11:53:27




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Pappy, I aint gonna get into % and all that, but if you want to knock the fool out of something, get them dead blow hammers. I'd go with the cheap brands. I've got a 2 1/2 or 3lb, don't remember, that I bought at a tool sale for less than $5. I've used it for several years with no problems. My uncle has a snap on brand that cost a small fortune. He hit something when it was cold weather and it split wide open.

I strightened a chrome rear bumper a few weeks ago. It did a good job, no strike marks.

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Larry Garbarek

06-29-2001 09:39:01




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
The purpose of deadblow hammer is to reduce or eliminate rebound. They actually lose efficiency because of the deadblow feature.

For example, a 10 ounce hammer might have 2 ounces of shot that is supended when swung. Thus, your swing a 10 ounce head but 20% of the force is suspended in mid air.

Thus, the efficiency of your blow is 20% less due to s ounces being held in mid air.

The 2 ounces of shot then absorbs the rebound, nothing more or nothing less. Maybe your hammer head taps the surface again as the shot hits on the inside, but, the energy is basically gone and you have lost 20% of your effort in your swing.

Deadblow hammers are nice tools and you might prefer them for any of several features, but, the way I see it, they exist for their anti-rebound feature, nothing more and nothing less.

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Mark Kw

06-29-2001 11:31:47




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 Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Larry Garbarek, 06-29-2001 09:39:01  
I'm not going to try and split hairs with Larry because I don't have any filled with loose shot. The 36 oz. snappy's have some sort material that is about the same consistency as fine sand (found this out when I split the head off the old one).

I don't know what Nupaflex (spelling?) or any of the others have in them but after a lot of beating with them, none have any rattle to them that would sound like shot or type of loose filling material.

I can tell you for fact that I get a heck of lot harder hit with the dead blows than you can ever get with a solid steel head. All you need do is drive some 4.5" diameter pins through a shovel bucket a few times using both types of hammers and you'll go for the deal blow every time. When you're swinging a 20 pounder full out over your head, you want to take as few swings as necessary to get the job done.

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dave#1

07-01-2001 16:08:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Mark Kw, 06-29-2001 11:31:47  
And I'm not going to tell you that all Snappy dead blows are or are'nt filled with some kind of steel or lead shot, but one of the dead blow hammers I bought off the Snap-on truck "was" filled with some kind of "Shot" cause I too like you busted it open. I/we use dead blow hammers so we don't beat the he!! out of what ever we're hitting(Axle ends,machine surfaces, ect)

later,dave



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Mark Kw

07-01-2001 20:21:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to dave#1, 07-01-2001 16:08:29  
The one I broke was a steel face. These will leave serious marks on whatever you beat the snot out of. Have yet to break a snappy soft face....yet.... he he



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DumOleBob

06-29-2001 07:34:27




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Craftsman (here we go again....) has a nice dead blow for the home or occasional use. One face is hard "rubber" - The other steel. Just don't use it when it's below -20* cause the steel face will come "unglued". Otherwise it is a handy thing to have.....



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Mark Kw

06-29-2001 05:13:05




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Depending upon the material the hammer is made of will determine it's applications.

These come in full rubber, poly-lene plastics, poly-steel faced, poly-brass and so forth. Dozens of different types, sizes and styles.

I use the medium sized steel face ones for driving punches and chisels and larger ones for driving bucket and track pins.

No matter what the type dead blow, the reason for these is not to eliminate bounce (nice secondary advantage) but rather to allow all of the energy to be transferred to the object you are hitting. Standard steel hammers hitting a punch/chisel will bounce allowing the loss of 20% to 60% of the work being applied. The dead blow will give you a solid hit using 99% of the energy to do the work.

Some one said about hurting more when you hit your thumb, yes they do! I was working on a machine in a plant some years back and was using a 3 pound soft face to remove a 1/2" thick steel plate used to hold about 20 bearings. I did not want the plate to fall to the floor so I stood in front of it to catch it when it let go. The only way to do this was to swing the hammer directly towards me. On one swing, I grazed the side of a piece of conduit with the side of the hammer. That was enough to make me miss the side piece of the machine and lay that hammer into my lower breast bone. Put me right on the floor and I thought I was going to die. 6'-2" and 245#, I can take a pretty good hit but one of these puppies will take the fight out of anyone. Don't hit yourself to begin with....trust me, it ain't no fun.

As for value, these hammers are more money but once you see how well they work, you'll rarely ever use an old iron beater again.

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ferrell freeman

06-29-2001 03:58:23




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
On some types of material I,quit useing my,brass hammer and only use the deadblow . The only problem I,is some of the chemicals tend to cause the plastic type handles to crack and split .



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Rod MI

06-28-2001 22:46:19




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
I think every one should have at least one in there tool box Pappy the best one ive ever use is VAUGHAN and they are very nice I Think I pade $30 for my 2inch face 3lb and most machine shop supplyers carry them



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John Ne.

06-28-2001 21:43:08




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
I was working in the 70s when they came out, they were horribly expensive then, thought I'd wait til the price came down to reason, it hasn't. Still don't have any in my tool box. Borrow one once in a great while, and I still don't like the way they feel. The soft faced ones seem to get tore up in a hurry, ruining them, I'll stick to my wood handled steel hammers. 30+ years in auto repair. John in Nebr.

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big fred

06-28-2001 21:04:44




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
I have a 2.5 lb deadblow mallet that I use a LOT, for everything from tapping walls into place for construction to "convincing" rusted parts to move. I also have a couple smaller deadblow plastic tipped mallets that I use less often. I got them for a song at the Boeing company surplus store in Kent, WA. The faces were too marred for Boeing use, but a little rough sanding on the big mallet and a pass thru the tablesaw on the small mallets made 'em plenty good enough for me. I like the deadblow feature, find it to be easier on my wrist and better at transfering "whack" from my arm to the item being whacked.

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The Chiorboy

06-28-2001 20:20:33




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
I never did like them, the only one I kept, after trading the others back to Snappie, was the long nosed version used to install pistons. One advantage they do have is that they won't splinter metal chips, but I never did like the way they felt.



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Franz

06-28-2001 16:17:27




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Like the Snap On guy says, they not only work, they hurt 3 to 9 times as much as a regular hammer when you smack your thumb with it. They also come in a mallet version, and that definitely is an effective tool.
Stanley also makes and markets a dead fall hammer line, less than half the cost of SnapOn, and every bit as good.
The only question I'd ask is will you get enough use from them to justify the price, and will they sprout legs and walk away from your toolbox.

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Jon

06-28-2001 15:45:22




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 Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Pappy, 06-28-2001 13:35:22  
Yes, we use them, don't know what we'd do without them. We've got the small 3lb and the large sledge. Whats great is you can beat the heck out of somthing, and it won't damage the surface, and doesn't bounce like a rubber mallet.



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Larry Garbarek

06-28-2001 18:51:05




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 Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Jon, 06-28-2001 15:45:22  
Dead blow hammers do not rebound and that is about the only advantage.

They are hollow and partially filled with shot that is become suspended by interia when you swing the hammer.

Hammer face hits the object first. The temporarily suspended shot hits a fraction of a second later, deading the rebound.

Whether or not a deadblow hammer mars the material being struck is a function of the hammer tip material, not of the deadblow feature.

There are several "uni-cast" models that are one solid deadblow hammer piece.

Others have a deadblow cylinder with interchangable tips.

Both are good for anti-rebounding. Some are nice and smooth or soft for anti-mar but a cheap rubber mallet will also have this feature.

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Greaseman

06-29-2001 12:48:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Larry Garbarek, 06-28-2001 18:51:05  
So sayeth the Greaseman: Christmas and birthday's are always coming up, whats on your list? mine will be a set of dead blow hammers, and much more. Brand wouldn't matter to me but when I hit my self like Mark Kw did I want to really hurt.



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Mark Kw

06-29-2001 18:33:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Dead Blow Hammers-Do you Use Them???? in reply to Greaseman, 06-29-2001 12:48:57  
Oh ya....it hurts! Big time!



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