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Final welder decition

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Stumpalump

10-17-2007 11:50:47




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I posted the small welder question below and you guys talked me into a lot more welder than a small 110v unit. So I found the best deal locally on two welders. A millermatic 180 with 115cf tank and cart for $985 but I can also get a close out deal on a miller210 with gas bottle and way nicer cart for $1500. Wife says either is OK but do you think its worth 500 bucks more for the 210 or will I be happy for the next 20 years with the millermatic180 and the stick I allready have? Not sure what I will gain if I step up to the 210 except duty cycle and a little more power.

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Big Mike 782

10-22-2007 10:05:35




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Hobart and Miller are owned by the same company ITW.Hobart and Miller welders are NOT the same machine in different colors.



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rad

10-18-2007 13:38:40




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Go with the 210. Has much better duty cycle which for me was the deciding factor. Yes, I am very happy with my 210.



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S. Crum

10-18-2007 07:25:24




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
If the extra money is not a burdon, go with the 210. A little extra capacity never hurt. If you keep the Miller in Nice condition ie; cover it when you not using it, blow it out once in a while, wipe it down on occasion etc. it will retain excellent resale value also. I see old Econotigs selling on ebay for what I paid for mine new 11 years ago.



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MarkB_MI

10-17-2007 17:30:46




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
It depends on what you're going to use your welder for. I have a Lincoln SP-170T that has worked great for the occasional light welding I do. However, a while back I did a project that required a lot of welding on 1/4" material. Cranked up about as high as it could go, the welder had no problem penetrating, but it would overheat every 10-15 minutes and shut down. I would have to stop and wait for a few minutes which got old real fast.

If you think you'll only do sheet metal, then the smaller welder will be great. But if you need to weld 1/4" or heavier, go big. Of course you have your stick welder, but once you get used to MIG you'll want to use it for everything.

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JML755

10-17-2007 17:09:38




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Stumpalump,

New welder AND peace in the family!! Can't beat it.



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Stumpalump

10-17-2007 16:49:17




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Thanks guys, I went ahead and picked up the 180. the 210 would have come in more like 1600 plus when all said and done. And now I can tell the wife how I saved us 600 bucks. That ought to make her love our new welder! Hope I do too. Thanks again!



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K.W. in Tx

10-17-2007 16:40:37




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Id get the 210. If I got the 180 a year down the road Id wished Id have got the bigger one like I always do.



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504-2

10-17-2007 16:26:01




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
If you might ever weld more than sheet metal do not buy a 110V. The Miller is a good welder and the price of a 135 cf bottle here is $210.00(priced one yesterday)makes your price pretty cheap. Yes Hobart welders are made by Miller but not all of the parts will exchange.



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ohio

10-17-2007 13:18:30




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Get the 210, and buy a tweco gun for it. the ones that come with the millers & hobies are garbage.



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TimV

10-17-2007 13:09:10




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Stumpalump: Welders are like garages and motorcycles. They come in one size--too small! If your wife doesn"t mind you spending the extra, I"d definitely spring for the 210--you"ll find your stick welder gathers dust once you get the hang of it, which, I might add, will take much less time than it would with a stick welder.



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RobMD

10-17-2007 12:31:30




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
Hobarts are cheaper. They're the exact same thing as miller. Hobart 210 = miller 210. With the miller, you're buying a name and a blue paint job.



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glennster

10-17-2007 12:15:47




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 Re: Final welder decition in reply to Stumpalump, 10-17-2007 11:50:47  
depends on what all you may get in to in the future. you may want to go with the 210, more power and better duty cycle. they should have a spool gun available for aluminium for that machine too. you probably will like the mig better when you get in to heavier stuff, then you"ll want a little bigger machine. never ending cycle. for another 400-500 you can jump up to the miller 252, 250 amp at 24 volt dc, can weld up to 1/2 inch steel. woo hoo!!! but, with either welder you are looking at, and a stick welder also, you should be good.

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