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Stumpalump

10-16-2007 09:19:33




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I have a Lincon stick welder and plan to keep it and use for heavy stuff. I have an ocasional need to weld thin stuff like on the unibody of my Jeep Cherokee. Will a cheap 110V wire welder do this type of welding correctly. I allways read to buy a 220V but I have the Licoln and like it. I'm just a hobby welder and want to modify Jeep unibody and occational thin stuff. Did I read that Harbor freight sold a small wire welder that was the same welder as a name brand company that may be good enough. I don't want the best I just want to be able to do what the stick can't on thin stuff. Would a 110v be enough for a DOM rollbar tube or would I still need to use the stick? Specifically I want to weld 1/8" to 3/16" plate to parts of the unibody and I can't do it well with the stick.

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Bhuwan chandra

10-17-2007 01:18:25




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 certified welding instructor in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Moody international is conducting a AWS CWI training Seminar and Examination in INDIA in January 2008 in PUNE city.
the seminar is for 5 days and Examination for 1 day. the dates of the Seminar are 14th Jan -18th Jan 2008.
The AWS CWI Examination will be held on 19th Jan 2008 For more details visit - Link OR mail to [email protected]

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T_Bone

10-17-2007 18:26:25




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 Re: certified welding instructor in reply to Bhuwan chandra, 10-17-2007 01:18:25  
Hi Bhuwan chandra,

AWS CWI = Certified Weld Inspector.

It will be a very difficult test. Three parts in 8hrs. Two theory parts and a open code book. Do not sell the code book part short. None of the answers can be looked up in the index so memorize each chapters topic. It's then just matching the questions topic to the correct chapter. 3hrs for 45 questions if I remember correctly and that wasn't enough time.

I seen a few welding engineers fail the test. 70% is passing on each part. The three parts are not averaged too 70%.

AWS puts out a CWI study guide thats well worth the cost. The two theroy parts of the test are pretty straight forward and multiple choice.

Contractors soon find out they wished they never heard of the AWS code book. They just don't like playing by the rules on hard contract money jobs thus a CWI always wares a black eye.

T_Bone

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john niolon

10-16-2007 17:45:34




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
I echo all above. I own Lincoln 225 tombstone welder, Millermatic 200 wire machine and a Hobart handler 100 suitcase wire machine.. I don"t use the stick much, I always reach for the wire gun.

check with the local welding shops and welder rental places. You can find used or tradein machines very reasonable. I got my Hobart from Air Gas. it was a lease return. They went thru it and fixed anything worn or bad and I got it for about 300 bucks. My miller was also used but by an individual.

Unless they"ve been dropped off a truck it"s hard to kill them..

john

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RobMD

10-16-2007 15:00:32




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Hey stumpalump:

I bought a brand new hobart 210 mig welder. It's gas sheilded, and an awesome welder at that.

I've ALSO been using it to weld new floorpan patches in MY JEEP cherokee. I'm assuming you've got holes in the pan above the muffler. The welder laid a nice little bead at its lowest setting all the way around. The metal in your Cherokee is about 20 gauge. The hobart will weld it, but don't use flux core wire, you gotta have the lil gas bottle.

I am so glad to repair all the holes in the pan and put a new carpet in it. I sprayed undercoating all under the whole thing again, too.

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KEB

10-16-2007 13:07:50




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Have a couple comments to add from my own experience, although I'm certainly not an expert welder. I have a Craftsman (Century) 110 volt wire feed that works OK but has some limitations. I've tried doing thicker stuff, like 1/8", and haven't had a whole lot of success, even making multiple passes. For thinner stuff it works OK. There are some real advantages to being able to run it on 110V unless you're only going to use it in a shop. For me, its a worthwhile trade between portability & power. I do have a stick welder when I need something heavier.

One other thing to watch, on mine the welding tip is hot any time the machine is turned on. On some of the better machines, the tip isn't hot until you squeeze the trigger, which makes it a lot easier to position the gun.

As I recall you're in the Denver area. Watch Craigs list, you see the little wire feed ones on there all the time. I picked up an older Airco (Miller) AC/DC welder off of Craigs lists for $75, and was really suprised at the improvement over an old buzz box.

Keith

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T_Bone

10-16-2007 12:02:51




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Hi Stumpalump,

Well buying a welding machine is like buying a trailer for hauling. If you don't spend the money up front you'll buy several trailers until you get the correct size.

Mig machines are just plain handy to use, there's no getting around that fact. Buy too small of machine and you'll quickly need more amps. Buy the right size machine then you can always turn down the amps for the thin metals.

Buy what works well or is known to work well. Lincoln builds a fine Mig machine for a reasonable cost. Hard to beat Lincoln in the smaller machines. Miller doesn't compete until the larger Mig rigs.

On Mig, anything less than 200amps at a 60% duty cycle will be a disappointment. A 20% duty cycle means welding 2min out of 10min, at 60%, weld 6min out of 10min. Hard not too weld for longer than 5min while Mig welding as you don't need to change electrodes thus need a longer duty cycle.

Then comes the wiring to support the new welding machine. Yes the 115v macines looks good until you can only weld 1/16 metal. You WILL want more out of your Mig welder, just a fact of life thus is just like buying a trailer becuse you need to haul more weight.

I just bought a new Lincoln Ranger 250 where I have a power supply for CV/CC, stick, Mig, Tig or Plasma. I don't have to worry about no having enough machine nor the power to run it. All copper windings for a stable arc plus a generator when needed. $3450 delivered.

I have 3 other welding machines and I no longer weld professional, just my home shop. I have $1500 in the other 3 machines. Now had I bought the Ranger 250 when I needed a new machine, I would have less than $2500 in one machine that I would never out grow.

How many repairs are field repairs or just easier to make in the field than dragging the equipment back to the shop? Alot!

Spend the money now or spend it latter but when it comes to welding you gonna spend it. It's just a matter of time.

T_Bone

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TWJanak

10-16-2007 10:55:25




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Don't count out Hobart, which has many Miller parts for a lot less price. I bought a Hobart 135 on sale for $380 several years ago. It's been a great little welder for lighter work. Definitely get the gas which makes a lot nicer work, unless you are outside in the wind a lot.



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Mike M

10-16-2007 10:30:05




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
I have a lincoln sp-100 and it has been a good machine. Go with a lincoln or miller and save alot of headaches.



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Bill in IL

10-16-2007 10:20:19




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
I would caution you to shy away from the HF version of a wire welder. As we have all found out some tools are ok others are barely usable and some go straight to the garbage can why buying from HF.

I own a lincoln SP125 120v wire welder and have been extremly happy with it. I do wish I would have and recommend to spend the extra 100 bucks and get the 240v model of whatever you buy to get more welding current and higher duty cycle unless you really cannot work with the 240v version.

Whatever you do buy please let us know how it works out for you in the next few months.

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JDB

10-16-2007 10:01:16




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Take a look at Firepower. It's made by thermodyne. I really like my 110v welder.



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cj3b_jeep

10-16-2007 09:58:21




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Also, be sure it is a true "mig" welder, with sheilding gas. Mine converts to gas/no gas and it is not a very clean weld with the no gas option.



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K.W. in Tx

10-16-2007 10:53:25




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 Re: Small welder in reply to cj3b_jeep, 10-16-2007 09:58:21  
I agree you should use gas. It makes a better weld than the flux core wire.



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TimV

10-16-2007 09:55:46




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Stumpalump: This question is a very common one on here--check the archives for a dozen or more long threads covering the same topic. The "executive summary" is that you're going to be a lot happier with a name-brand welder--Lincoln, Miller and Hobart being the "big three". Sheet metal welding can be frustrating for a professional, and trying to do it with a cheap welder will have you pulling your hair out. The cost difference is only a couple hundred dollars for a machine that will do much better work, will have parts and consumables readily available, and should last a lifetime. As a couple of side notes, be careful doing any frame welding--many frames are tempered and do not take kindly to being welded without the proper methods, which are beyond the capability of someone without the proper equipment and training. Also, 3/16" is getting toward the upper end of what the average 110-v wire welder is capable of doing in a single pass. With those cautionary words, a 110-v wire welder is a definite asset to any shop as a complement to a 220-v stick welder, and will open up many new areas of fabrication possibilities once you master its use.

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135 Fan

10-16-2007 11:05:02




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 Re: Small welder in reply to TimV, 10-16-2007 09:55:46  
I agree. If you're welding 1/8 and 3/16 they can be easily welded with a stick welder. Not that you would necessarily want to use stick, but it would be a good indicator that you should go with a 220 volt MIG welder. Big name brands are best and you might find a good used one. New is always best however. A good MIG welder in the 200 amp range will be able to do thin sheet metal as well as heavier plate. It will have a higher duty cycle and better components. The main reason for the 110 welders is for sheet metal welding. For 1/8 and above a 220 is a better choice and you'll have a better machine. .023 wire can have a lot of feeding problems where .035 or .030 feed much easier. Dave

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BobOHIO

10-16-2007 09:37:29




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 Re: Small welder in reply to Stumpalump, 10-16-2007 09:19:33  
Stump- The 110V will weld 1/8" OK but I wouldn't buy a machine from Harbor Freight. I'd look for a good used machine by Lincoln or Miller.



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