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Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban

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Tom in TN

10-14-2007 11:16:15




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Hey Guys,

I'm trying to replace the electric fuel pump on my son's 2000 Chevy Suburban. It's mounted inside the fuel tank.

1. Disconnected negative battery lead.
2. Siphoned gas out of tank.
3. Raised car onto four jack stands.
4. Removed two bolts that hold tank up into car.

I can't get the front of the tank down, seemingly because the fuel lines are attached to the fuel pump. I can't figure out how to disconnect the fuel lines from the pump. Is there a special tool needed to remove the lines from the pump?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Tom in TN

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KEB

10-17-2007 09:08:13




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
For future reference, unless you're way out in the boonies your local library probably has a good set of Mitchell's or Motor's manuals. A quick trip, a buck or two for copying, and you've got what you need for the specific job.

I too think the Chilton/Haynes manuals are almost useless for anything besides a few pictures of how things go together and some specs that aren't in the owners manuals.

Keith

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azharry

10-14-2007 20:58:38




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
You need to support the tank with ratchet straps so you can move it on its side slightly after the filler and vent tubes are removed. The fuel lines will require a 5/16 and 3/8 disconnect tool to remove them. There is very little clearance between the end of the plastic fuel line and the connector. Lisle and other tool companies make two piece removal tools to give you more of a chance to remove the connectors without breaking the plastic line. If you're replacing the whole module it doesn't matter. I assume you're talking about the side fuel tank and not the rear one. They're not alot of fun to work on your back.

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Buzzman72

10-14-2007 13:37:04




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
Tom, I don't want to sound like I'm picking on you, 'cause I'm not. But situations like the one you've encountered are why, on many old-truck tech boards, old timers seem to constantly be recommending that the newbies get a manual for the vehicle they're working on...because some solutions aren't always arrived at by intuition. Most old timers on these boards don't care who sells the manuals or how many they sell...they just know the value of having a manual, to keep you from getting stuck on something that might at first glance seem easy.

But it never ceases to amaze me how many folks take the "we don't need no steenkeen manuals" approach to vehicle repair. Usually it's the same folks who'd be appalled if their dealership tried to repair one without having the proper manual, even if it's simply for training and reference purposes.

Yeah, I've tried to repair stuff without a manual in the past...and yeah, I've been slowed, stopped, stumped and staggered by something that a manual just might've saved me a lot of time and aggravation on. So these days, I'm trying hard to practice what I preach, and to access a manual before I begin a repair I've never done before.

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TyTX

10-15-2007 07:22:53




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 Dead on... in reply to Buzzman72, 10-14-2007 13:37:04  
Getting a good manual is something you need to do soon after deciding you are going to keep a vehicle and do any of the repairs yourself.

Chilton's has long ago ceased from offering any good detail for repairs. They exaggerate the obvious and skip over the stuff you really need.

Haynes use to be better and thought they are much better than Chilton's, they miss a lot of VERY important details. Sometimes they are even flat wrong and offer instruction that if you follow it you will cause damage.

For my buck, I'm ordering a 4 volume set of GM factory manuals. Sure they cost a lot but the right information will save me far more than the cost and the time saved searching for what the other manuals leave out will more than compensate.

You can find these manuals in ebay for 1/4 the publisher's price. You have to be patient and keep looking though.

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Tom in TN

10-14-2007 17:22:14




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Buzzman72, 10-14-2007 13:37:04  
Buzzman,

I agree with you. I consulted a Chilton's manual before I began the project. They have about five steps in their process.

1. Empty gas tank.
2. Remove gas tank.
3. Remove fuel pump.
4. Install new fuel pump.
5. Refill gas tank.

That's not literally their process, but that amounts to about what they have.

Unfortunately, each of their steps involves about ten other steps that they don't talk about. They make no mention whatever of any special tools needed for the job.

I guess if I had a real service manual it would be much more definitive, but since I didn't, I made do.

Based on Bob's advice, I procured a tool at Advance Auto and finished the job this afternoon.

Tom in tN

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do it my way

10-14-2007 15:45:03




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Buzzman72, 10-14-2007 13:37:04  
Here in the boonies it takes a week to get a book shipped in.



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Eddie M

10-14-2007 13:55:06




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Buzzman72, 10-14-2007 13:37:04  
Or he could come here and get some FRIENDLY advice from people who know what they are talking about and have done it before.

Many times these manuals are vague and don't cover in detail all that you encounter. I' for one, have trouble trying to decipher written instructions in books simply because they are written in a confusing manner by people that haven't done it themselves.



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Buzzman72

10-15-2007 17:33:11




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Eddie M, 10-14-2007 13:55:06  
I hope you didn't interpret my post to be disparaging the quality of advice found here...because that wasn't my intention. But my experience with Haynes and Chiltons manuals has been...well, let's just say these manuals are less than stellar, IMHO. And yes, I was referring to factory manuals as the best source of info.

Most factory manuals, as well as AllData and MitchellOnDemand, make note of any special tools required...while Chilton's and Haynes may not even mention the procedure that calls for the special tools.

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buickanddeere

10-14-2007 22:32:31




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Eddie M, 10-14-2007 13:55:06  
The GM manual is good. The same with the real JD manuals. Chilton, IT and other generic manuals are good for holding doors and windows open. Or to prevent marring soft metal or machined surfaces clamped in vices.



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Ozarker

10-14-2007 11:44:39




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
Don't forget to disconnect the filler hose from the fender.



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Tom in TN

10-14-2007 11:55:51




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Ozarker, 10-14-2007 11:44:39  
Ozarker,

Thanks for the reply. You are absolutely correct about disconnecting the filler pipe and the smaller vent pipe from the tank. I actually did that also, but forgot to include that fact in my original post.

Thanks for your response.

Tom in TN



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Ozarker

10-14-2007 11:43:41




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
Don't forget to disconnect the filler hose from the fender.



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Bob

10-14-2007 11:31:59




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Tom in TN, 10-14-2007 11:16:15  
Yes, there are special fuel line disconnect tools.

Here's a set for the REALLY to to get at ones:

Third Party Image

Here's another version, for easier-to-get-at fittings:

Third Party Image

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Slowpoke

10-15-2007 00:58:34




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Bob, 10-14-2007 11:31:59  
Those nice colored ones are $15 each at Kragens Auto Supply. Made in china I believe.



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Tom in TN

10-14-2007 11:58:05




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 Re: Need advice -fuel pump 2000 Suburban in reply to Bob, 10-14-2007 11:31:59  
Bob,

Thanks for your reply. I'm going to call Advance Auto right now and see if they have the needed tool. If they don't NAPA probably will, but unfortunately, they are not open on Sunday.

Thanks again for your help.

Tom in TN



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