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INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN

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AmeriKen

10-12-2007 04:23:03




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I'm curious if anyone has any ideas to insulate a steel pole barn. Mine is about 5 years old, but during cold weather, condensate forms on the metal surfaces and it "rains" inside the barn. The condensate will run down the metal surfaces to purlins then will drip. There are wet rows on the ground every 2 feet across the width of the barn under each row of purlins in the roof.

The barn is 50x60x12, so there is a lot of square area to insulate. Foam would be the ultimate, but not affordable. Urethane sheets with foil surfaces are about $10-15 each would cost $1000+ to do the ceiling only.

I've considered stapling Tyvek to the top side of lower cords of the trusses, then try to blow in about 2" of cellulose over it to seal the gaps as it settles over time. Tyvek has about a 30 pound per inch of width tensile strength to support the load of insulation on it, and would act as a vapor barrier.

Also, insulating the walls are another issue. Fiberglass bats will cost about $.50/Sq Ft. The walls total up to about 2700 Sq Ft. Thus making bats out of question.

Has anyone experimented with wet spraying cellulose on walls? I bought a used yard chipper/blower with a 3 HP Briggs and Stratton to convert for the blower capabiity and then used some "T-Jet" nozzles from a scrapped field sprayer to wet the cellulose as it blows through the hose. I've tested a small patch on the wall and it almost spraying the insulation as I hoped. I placed the "T-Jet" nozzles into a 2" PVC double wye drainage fitting with 2" pipe as a handle/extension.

I got the idea from seeing sound deadening rooms and environmental controlled rooms in test labs that appeared to have sprayed cellulose insulation on the surfaces for sound deadening and heat insulation. I found on the internet a company that wet sprays cellulose in new construction out in Arizona very successfully.

I'd like to try this, but would like to find out if anyone has any experience with this. The commercial cellulose from Home Depot and Lowes is fire rated class 1 so the chemicals added retard flames in addition to keeping out infestations of critters.

Opinions please.

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circus

10-14-2007 04:21:44




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
tyvek is designed not to be a vapor barrior. It's job is to keep wind out while allowing humidity thru. so house walls stay dry. Wet celulose will not stay, will get soaked, get heavy and fall. It all comes down to what you want. If it's the condensation, just use plastic. If your heating, use fiberglass and inner steel siding. A large tight insulated building will stay at 50 degrees all winter with no heat and 70 all summer with no cooling. Thats in Wisconsin.

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J.C.in AZ.

10-13-2007 19:05:29




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
Fastest,economical also is Spray on Foam.



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Spritzer

10-13-2007 11:11:57




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
I had a pole barn built without insulation, but have since wanted to heat it. I'm retired, so time wasn't an issue. I bought enough 4-ft.x 4-ft.x 2 inch sheets of rigid foam board to cover the ceiling and walls. Measure and cut each piece to fit where needed with a "drive" fit, plus cementing in place. Works! Cut foam board with carbide blade---smooth as glass.



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AmeriKen

10-12-2007 09:49:39




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 I, now, know what should have been done when built, but... in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
It's too much effort to impossible now to insulate over the purlins after the barn is built, so I'm now trying to apply a best low-cost alternate means.

The moisture/humidity is coming up from the ground which is just earth and gravel. If I added gable vents, and put in an insulated ceiling with vapor barrier, wouldn't this stop/reduce the condensation?



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-12-2007 09:17:56




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
The other guys are right - above purlins and understeel was the right time. I like to use a product called Plyfoil - the cheaper version for what you are stopping. Unscrew, roll, temporary staple, and rescrew it the easiest way. Another option is to vent the "attic" and install a liner panel ceiling to the bottom chords, followed by insulation on top - I like blown-in fiberglass the best. If I chose this option, I"d keep an eye on the roof to see if condensation still developed as I"m not sure the ceiling insulation system would prevent it.

Either way, best of luck.

Bill

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Mike M

10-12-2007 07:41:15




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
You needed to of had vapor barrier installed on top of the purlins before the roofing was put on.

If they screwed on the roofing you may be able to remove it and install some.

Short of that spray foam may be the only thing that will stick. There is a place I saw on the internet that sells the stuff to spray it your self.



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Hotflashjr

10-12-2007 05:15:26




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
Normally when they errect the buildings they use an insulation that is backed with a plastic sheet. They then tape the seems between the pieces of insulation. The last guy I worked for had a steel building put up and this is what they used. As far as cost I am unsure as to how much the insulation was. From what I remeber though, they put up the insulation as the building went up so that way it would not start to sag a few years down the road.

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Ken Crisman

10-12-2007 05:03:27




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 Re: INSULATING A STEEL POLE BARN in reply to AmeriKen, 10-12-2007 04:23:03  
You might try calling some of the steel building companies & ask them . I've seen it done here by companies & I know the correct style of insulation is made . The new buildings I've checked out as it was going up , I noticed that they also do the ceilings . I wired up a very large older steel built warehouse converted into a semi hauling companies repair shop .It was nice n toasty during those very cold days too . HTH ! God bless, Ken

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