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15/40 wallmart oil ?

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pa dave

10-07-2007 16:58:51




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does anyone know who makes the oil for wallmart?anyone out there using it in there diesels? great price but don't know about quality, any comments welcome.




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T_Bone

10-08-2007 13:10:14




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
Hi Dave,

My parents were die hard Quakerstate or Penzoil fans so thats where I started out, Penzoil.

My Dodge 400ci gasser would use a quart of oil every 1000miles, even when new. When my usage got too 1qt/500 miles on one change I tried quakerstate. My usage dropped back too 1qt/1000miles. Then my usage went back too normal until Quakerstate was bought out by Penzoil then it went right back too 1qt/500 miles.

When I bought my PSD, I decided on Delo. I also changed to chevron surpreme on my 4cly gasser. I got 5mpg more fuel mileage using Chevron 10w/30 so that was a positive change over using QuakeState. My son also tried Chevron Surpreme and picked-up 4mpg on his Ranger 8cyl Vs what ever the quickie change places were using.

As to cost Vs wear, I think you would only notice time to overhaul vs using a cheap grade oil. I don't know of anyone that ever had a oil failure problem on any oil.

I had a buddy that was a Amsoil die hard. His BIL bought a motorhome at the same time. BIL used what ever was the cheapest. Both rebuilt transmissions at around 50000 miles. Both rigs were approx. the same weight and my buddy babied his driving where his BIL floored the fuel pedal at all times. So why didn't my buddy's MH get more mileage between rebuilds while using Amsoil???

I think it's more important to use the correct weight of oil with frequent changes. Multi-weight oils are great for travling between different temperatures but where you have consistant temps for working engines, I'd use straight weights according to the temps there running in.

On my PSD, Delo 15w40 was to heavy of oil for 5�. It started but sure moaned about it. I'm sure glad I had glow plugs. I can't find Delo 10w30.

But even saving a $1/gal, would you save that much money vs shorting time to overhaul???

T_Bone

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soundguy

10-08-2007 12:11:15




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
You might pull a MSDS and see if it still lists warren for the oil.

I use the walmart UTF oil in my tractors.. no fialures yet.

i had a hyd remote added to my 2002 NH 7610s a while back, dealer had the hyd system apart and i asked them to replace orings and check pump and relief while they had it.. ( just to make sure the walmart oil wasn't killing it ).. dealer said it looked brand new ...

I change the oil and the filter at LEAST by manufacture rec's.. or better. I think tomtex may just be a little mad cuz he sponsors nascar commercials and advertising and such! (wink)

Honestly havn't used the supertech oils in the crankcases except as flush oils due to the extreme low cost. Any time i get a new-to-me tractor i change the oil with superthech and slap a fram fitler inthere,.. run it around for a few days then drain it, and go in with valvolene or napa fleet diesel and an oem or napa filter, depending on the application.

Again.. I DO use the UTF and gear oils though. No hyd failures on any of my antiques yet... no drivelines have droppe dout in middle of the road either.. no discernable metal in drainings or on plug magnets.. etc..

Soundguy

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135 Fan

10-08-2007 09:09:44




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
I use their TDH fluid for hydraulic oil in my Cat and it works fine. I've used their diesel oil as well. They have 2 different types. I used the more expensive one. I heard it was made by Shell but don't know for sure. It says proven million mile performance on the jug. For diesel oil I usually get Havoline because it's a few dollars cheaper than other name brand oils. I agree that changing often is the key. You could get the oil analyzed when you drain it. Dave

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dhermesc

10-08-2007 05:52:34




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
Read the API rating. If its CL-4 its probably as good as anything on the shelf next to it, only you aren't paying to sponsor NASCAR or for the TV commercials.



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TomTex

10-08-2007 02:43:15




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
Walmart oil is ideal for tight-wad penny pinchers who had rather cry around the coffee shop about the cost of a rebuild, than spend a few more dollars for quality lubricants. dI wouldn't use Walmart oil to lub the garage door hinges. Tom



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iowa_tire_guy

10-08-2007 02:12:23




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
In 15 years if changing oil I have come to the conclusion that it is more important to change the oil at regular short intervals than what oil you use.



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Leland

10-07-2007 23:13:31




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
must not be that good of an oil bacause walmart uses rotella in all there semi's according to a shop foreman I know who works for them .and quakerstate of one of there branchs usually blends walmarts oil to there spec's of course cheap cheap .



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farmerweber in PA

10-07-2007 22:42:06




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
I run the stuff in a '57 IH 350 diesel and have never had any trouble.Heck,for that matter I run 10-40 in the car and truck too.Jugs used to say packaged by Pennzoil/Quaker State.Used to use Pennzoil but I am getting cheap.Wal-Mart here does'nt have 15-40 in quarts anymore.don't know whats up with that.Don't need a 5 quart jug for a half quart top off.



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RobMD

10-07-2007 20:46:01




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
If you pour walmart oil out onto a pan, it looks like vegetable oil. It also has a funny odor. I don't trust it.



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Bob

10-07-2007 21:01:28




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to RobMD, 10-07-2007 20:46:01  
I'm NOT generally a WaldoWorld fan, but I use their oil in all but my newest stuff, 'cause I'm CHEAP.

I've had ABSOLUTELY no problems with any of the engines I've used it in. I recently had the oil pan off of one of the high-mileage engines 'cause the kid smacked a rock, and it was just as clean in there as any other engine I've ever been into.



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RobMD

10-08-2007 08:09:07




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to Bob, 10-07-2007 21:01:28  
Yeah, I am cheap too, I just use it in older lawn mowers with relatively worn engines.

However, I noticed that the engines smoke MORE with this oil, and very little with say, pennzoil.



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Gary from Muleshoe

10-07-2007 18:25:21




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
Quaker State is who I have been told makes it for them also. Kind of like the dog food factory near me, one day they are packaging Purina and the next day it is Old Roy.



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gahorN

10-07-2007 17:32:47




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
My '92 Jeep Cherokee has 311K miles on it's original engine and has always had WalMart SuperTech SAE 30 oil in it (and whatever the cheapest filters I can buy), changed at/around 4K miles. I changed the air filter twice a year. (I live on a dirt road, and that's probably not often enough on the air filter.)

WalMart oil is just fine. I'm told it's made for them by the QuakerState folks. I do not know if that's accurate, but it has the same appearance straight out of the bottle.

Now as for "grade" or "weight" of the oil... that's a different matter. Multi-weight oil does not have my confidence, despite what all the marketing folks push at us. (The reason I use cheap WalMart oil is because I do not believe $4/qt. oil is any better than $1/qt oil.... it all came out of the world's oil wells, was refined at the world's refinery's, and was colored, perfumed, and placed in different pretty bottles with different price tags, but it's still the same basic product that must meet the same EPA and ASCME mileage and car warranty standards as all the others. There is NO essential difference in mineral-based oils...except as regards "grade" or "weight".)

Multi-grade oils provide better gas mileage because they are thin oils that flow fast and easy. Car mfr's have to meet mileage requirements and that's the driving factor. (That's why your latest models specify 5W-something oils.)

Keep in mind this fact: Multiweight oils (say a 10W30) is a light weight oil (SAE 10) with additives to make it behave like a heavier oil (SAE 30) when it's at 100 degrees centigrade. When those additives wear out, you are running SAE 10 oil! How do you feel about that?
Multigrade oils also drain off of stationary parts during idle periods and provide less protection against rusting. (On the other hand, multigrade oils pump faster during start-up, and have the advantage in cold climates for that reason. However, the straight weight oil also was still present in that cold engine and gave some start up protection as well. If you live in a temperate climate like the contiguous 48 states, you are probably better off with straight weight oils. If you live farther north and cannot provide warm-up time and/or an engine heater and/or another warmup process, then perhaps a multigrade oil is better for you.)

I live in Texas and have temperature extremes between 14 degrees F and 120 degrees F. I do not have to start my engine and hit 70 mph in 60 seconds. I can let it idle for a minute, and drive less than 40 mph for another 2 minutes before I hit the highway. Which is why I run only straight weight oils (SAE 30) in my cars.
I'm not saying that my Jeep got to 311,000 miles without any special work (other than tires/brakes/batteries/a water pump and wheel bearings)

because WalMart oil is GOOD. .... I'm just saying that cheap, SAE 30 oil did not PREVENT it from getting that far!
(And I intend to keep on driving it every day to work (3 miles round trip) and once a week home to the ranch (200 miles each way) until I can get around to cleaning out all my junk from the back and I get tired of driving a white Jeep.) third party image

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Doug in Illinois

10-07-2007 17:30:17




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 Re: 15/40 wallmart oil ? in reply to pa dave, 10-07-2007 16:58:51  
Have no idea who makes it. For my diesel, I INSIST on Rotella 15-40. Don't like buying at Wal cause of quality of the Chinese junk along with sending our jobs away. Having said that, I admit to using their oil in my mail route car, BUT not the tractor or my wife's. The abuse my route car takes it wouldn't matter if I had it on AmsOil (I still have my dealer license, since 1973) or put used oil in it, it would still run about the same. I do know for a fact that Viscosity Petroleum makes most of lubes for the farm market. Case-IH, JD, NH, Etc. Just go out and check the container of dealership oil, will say as above or FL. Another example, Castrol is BP in the fine print. BUT, all Wal will say is made in USA for the oil. Your choice, but $$$ for a diesel engine? Doug

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