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Bob Farrell

10-06-2007 11:11:27




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I have a piece of commercial property with a problem. The water supply line from the meter to the building has a pin hole leak in it. The line is one inch copper about 120 feet run. It is buried under 6"-8" rebar reinforced concrete.

My question is: Has anyone ever relined a line like this? (It will be rather expensive to dig up and replace). Someone referred to a product called PEX that maybe could be used (say use a 1/2" size to snake through the existing line).

Anyone have experience or other suggestions to solve this problem? Thanks!! bob f.

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Areo

10-07-2007 15:37:26




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Another thought. Push a snake wire though that can be used to pull the pex. Pushing the pex is somewhat like push with a rope.

HTH

Areo



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Randy S

10-06-2007 16:44:15




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Bob

I have ran pex thru copper before. It works well for a short run i know. Ive done it in a few houses where one of the lines would spring a leak and need to be replaced from point a to point b. It sure beats tearing up the slab, and the customers think your a genius.

What i would do is get some short samples of pex to see which size would fit COMFORTABLE thru your size pipe. Pushing 120 feet or so is gonna be quiet a challenge. I hope there is no solder bulges at the joints in your existing copper or its not flattened or kinked, if so then nothing will work. You might try blowing a line thru your pipe with air pressure to hook to the pex to help pull the pex thru.

Just my 2 cents
Good luck
Randy

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T_Bone

10-06-2007 15:56:06




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Hi Bob,

Take your pressure washer and hook up to another pipe and use that to mole your way uder the slab. Use a PVC liner under the slab incase you need to do this agian. Slip the CU inside the PVC as a sleave.

T_Bone



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-06-2007 15:19:30




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Hi Bob,

I was going to suggest that you slip 10' sticks of 3/4" copper inside the 1" supply line, soldering as you go. It would require that the 120' run be straight and that there be at least a few inches more than 10' of clearance at one end. A chart I found online showed that per the measurements it would work even with Type K copper---the thickest walled stuff. Then I remembered the couplings you would have to use at the joints---no way would they fit through 1" pipe. If you have to go to 1/2" supply, you're probably better off with PEX because it would be seamless and low friction. It ought to be easy enough to get the specs on what flow you can expect through PEX and decide whether it will be enough.

What about 3/4" copper from a roll? It would fit inside 1" pipe, and be seamless and low friction (though not as low as PEX, I imagine.) This is assuming that the OD of 3/4" PEX is greater than the ID of 1" copper. Maybe 5/8" PEX would fit, and the pressure loss wouldn't be too serious.

Good luck with it, Stan

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1936

10-06-2007 14:35:33




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Quick fix by gas company was to run a line inside the line up my meter. Slick and fast. Call a pro. You must be rather deep south. Here 4 feet is starters for water.



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Charles (in GA)

10-06-2007 13:10:01




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
Can the property survive using smaller line? or do they need the flow of a 3/4 or 1" line? It might be possible to run the PEX or other similar line thru the copper and then just dig up the area at the meter to cut the copper and make the new connection, then again, a large water user..... ..... . Start jack hammering.

Charles



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CENTAUR

10-06-2007 12:50:40




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-06-2007 11:11:27  
I have just goggled PEX and got lots of info. CENTAUR



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old art

10-06-2007 17:13:37




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to CENTAUR, 10-06-2007 12:50:40  
try checking with one of those guys tha directional boreing they bore to a spot then connect a plastic tubeing on an pull it in the hole the size you need asking for a price is easy



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paul

10-06-2007 22:25:24




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 Re: Plumbing in reply to old art, 10-06-2007 17:13:37  
I'd look into the boring as well. 1/2 inch pex as a main feed seems real small to me.

--->Paul



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