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J kemp

09-29-2007 20:44:29




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Anyone Want to share what they know about What differences are there in Marine batteries verses conventional battery ? ... Thank You




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Doyle Alley

10-03-2007 09:31:58




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
I haven't yet seen anybody post the "real" difference. All the other stuff may be true too, but the primary difference is that a marine battery always has both the lead post AND a threaded post.



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Kent in KC

10-01-2007 16:48:35




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
Marines don't need batteries, they are self-motivated. Ooh-rah!



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jeffcat

09-30-2007 15:01:40




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
The Spiral wrap Optima batterys from Interstate you want the ones with yellow tops or blue tops for the most deep charge power. You have never seen a battery run for so long! Next door has one in his boat. Makes a car battery look like a toy!



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Jon Hagen

09-30-2007 15:36:09




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to jeffcat, 09-30-2007 15:01:40  
I have equipped most of my farm machinery including cars and pickups with the spiral cell AGM batteries made by Optima and Exide orbital,

I love em, they last forever, my oldest Optima is 16 years old and still cranks like new. Others of both Optima and Exide brand are from 2-12 years old and none have failed in a starting application including some that have been totally discharged several times because some accessory was left on. They seem to shrug off this kind of abuse and come back at full power.
They have great starting power are very slow to self discharge. They produce no acid or corrosive fumes, so you never have a corroded cable or battery box.
If they have a weakness, it is that the spiral cell AGM battery has very little excess electrolyte and you can quickly dry them out and ruin them if your charging system puts out over 15 volts or if you put a big unregulated charger on them and walk away for a few hours. Once they are overcharged so badly that the pressure relief valves open and release electrolyte vapor, there is no way to add more electrolyte to replace what has been lost. Treat them to a normal charge rate / voltage and you have very nearly a instal it and forget it battery for the life of the machine.

Some try using a deep cycle spiral cell AGM battery for a starting battery , this is common where a high power sound system or a winch is used with the engine off. The results have not been very good using a deep cycle battery in this way,many times they are short lived.

My good luck with them in a starting application has been with the cranking / lighting / ignition type AGM spiral batteries like the Optima red top and the Exide orbital CLI type.

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jeffcat

10-01-2007 09:44:50




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to Jon Hagen, 09-30-2007 15:36:09  
Yup you got it Jon. The best all around is the RED top. I love them and they have tons of power to spare. They have 1000 amps at 75 degrees. Their rateing of 650 is at 32 degrees freeeeezin!!! What is real fun is the winter. I was out on a photo shoot in February 18 degree weather. That morning my old 1987 Caravan started right up. The other two guys needed me to JUMP them. One of those was a brand new Dodge diesel truck!!!! If youre charge system works right ya got it made. Go to wally world and go to where the car battery rack is. On the end is a neat little gizmo that cost about $15.00 It is a digital volt meter that plugs into your lighter socket. When the vehicle is running you want about 14.2 volts on the gauge. VERY good little tool. Jeffcat

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HENRY E NC

09-30-2007 10:55:05




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
I have over forty years experience with marine batteries and have used them in many applications. I lived on a boat for some years and would travel some distances depending on batteries alone for power. That said, here is my opinion. Marine batterys are generally divided in groups to accommodate the differences in use. In the last decade or so some of the groups have been combined. Generally there are three uses in a boat. Starting, house and reserve. There are lead acid batteries, gel batteries, and Glass mat batteries. Lead acid batteries are a liability on a boat beacause they give off hydrogen when charge and can accumulate and explode. These are ok in open fishing boats and some used are very tolerant to dischargeing and recharging. How, every time they are discharged and recharge, they lose some capability and eventually fail. Gel cells have the electrolite suspended in a gel and these batteries do not give off so much vapor. They can be mounted in any position, do not leak or need fluid added etc. They cna be fully dsischarged for months and be brought back to full charge. I had them in my boat for 12 years and when I removed them a friend took them and put them in his boat.The charge rate is the only hitch. They should be charged at 1`3.8 or 13.9 for the best longevity. The last catagory is the AGM or absorbed glass mat battery used by the US Military and available in most boat stores and auto stores and are the very best. can sit for years discharged and can be charged at a variety os voltages and can be used in any application in any position etc. I replaced the gel cells with these only because we would be traveling for an extended period not close to service. Still as good as ever after 10 years. They are tough and serviceable and I would recommend them for any application if you are willing to pay the price upfront. Generally double others but can last 3-4 times in length.

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IH2444

09-30-2007 10:08:32




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
Well now thwere are 2 maintyeps of conventional types of Marine batteries.

1. Marine Starting. pretty much like any automotove battery but more vibratin resitstant.

2. Combo starting/deep cycle. Will start you engine and also perform well as deep cycle batteries. These are my fav type.

A deep cycle only battery will be ruined using it as a high current starting battery.



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suptscottyb

09-30-2007 07:30:25




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
I resently learned that acid based batteries are much more tolerent of sitting idle with a full charge than low charge. Maybe this will help....



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Bob - MI

09-30-2007 07:23:56




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
There are several differences in a marine battery. Mostly they are more durable and will take the pounding that a boat will give it. The other is that they are much more tolerant to sitting idle while the boat is at the dock and/or on the trailer. The terminals are different having wing nuts on the posts to allow aux. wiring to be more easily connected.

I fish Lake Michigan for salmon and the Coast Guard station here tries to get other boats on the lake to lend assistance to those who don"t have a Mayday situation, (fire, sinking, severe medical emergency). The majority of the calls that I hear on the radio have to do with starting problems and a dead battery. There are lots of reasons for your battery to fail but I try to make sure that I have the best chance to avoid that. I replace the battery every 4 years and I periodically trickle charge it while it"s on the trailer. I shop for the best deal but I always buy a name brand marine battery. West Marine is a good source as well as Sam"s Club. Wal Mart would be good too I suppose.

I always start the boat at home the night before we are going out as well. Can"t tell you how many times I have seen guys at the ramp in the morning begging for a jump.

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Bert65

09-30-2007 04:59:29




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
I have one on a hydraulic dump trailer and I'm on the 3rd battery in 10 years. So they don't seem to last as long??



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circus

09-30-2007 04:30:13




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
I take it Marine means deep cycle. The plates are alot thicker. Less instant power but power for a longer time.



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Jimmy King

09-30-2007 00:52:57




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
As a truck driver and deliverly person for an auto parts co, they are very heavy. Like 80# compared to a regular battery the same size 55 or 60#.



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Old Ford Mechanic

09-29-2007 22:11:04




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
Most are just built a little heavier.A regular starting battery is designed to deliver a short burst of power for cranking andd then is recharged by the alternator.A deep cycle marine battery is designed to run several things,trolling motors,lights,fishfinders ect. It can be drained to a low level of charge then recharged as necessary.Really the only difference between the two is how much power is deliverd and how long it needs to be deliverd.

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buickanddeere

09-29-2007 21:58:37




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 Re: Marine Battery in reply to J kemp, 09-29-2007 20:44:29  
Go for a AGM battery with the highest CCA and reserve minutes that will fit in the battery box. If possible make the battery box larger if you can find a higher capacity battery.



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