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Bob Farrell

09-29-2007 12:14:19




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Have 100 rolls of the following. Can someone (welder) tell me what I have, what it is used for and what it's worth?

Lincoln Electric - 60# coils - 5/32" L-S3, Stock #ED028248 and another number, ES-AVGJ.

Tried to find under Lincoln Electric search - no luck. Thanks for any help. Bob F.




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Slowpoke

10-12-2007 17:45:22




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-29-2007 12:14:19  
Perhaps it was made for a special order for the government or a contractor with a very big job. Knowing where you obtained it could shed some light on the answer.



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rick dant

10-08-2007 14:23:21




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-29-2007 12:14:19  
What you have is submerged arc wire. It is known as Lincolnweld L-s3. It is a mild steel wire used for semi automated sub arc welding typicaly used for carbon steel. I have a Lincoln price book in front of me and don not see that particular edo number...but it is unheard of for Lincoln to change the part number



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nballen

10-02-2007 08:56:54




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-29-2007 12:14:19  
A Lincoln Electric Search for "L-S3" produces:

Link: L-S3

The description is correct (60# coil) the product code is partially correct.



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-02-2007 13:28:16




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to nballen, 10-02-2007 08:56:54  
The fact that the product description includes a statement about appropriate fluxes means that this is wire meant for submerged arc welding (SAW.) No other arc welding process that I'm aware of involves the use of separately supplied flux. SAW is an industrial process which I would guess to be about 1/1000 as common as MIG. I guess you could call that a WAG about SAW.

All the best, Stan



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Davis In SC

09-29-2007 18:43:06




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-29-2007 12:14:19  
I used to get a magazine in the mail, I think it was called Industrial Surplus. It had ads for companies that bought and sold all sorts of industrial surplus... I do remember there were a fair number of dealers that dealt in welding supplies. A web search for "Welding Surplus" or a few similar terms, might get you a potential buyer.

A friend used to sell to some dealers like that, never at a huge price, but a whole lot more than scrap price..

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Stan in Oly, WA

09-29-2007 16:33:55




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-29-2007 12:14:19  
Hi Bob,

The Lincoln product catalogs I have for wire electrodes don't show any match for those numbers. I find matches beginning with ED028xxx for all three classes of products: Solid wire (gas shielded); flux cored wire; and dual shield which is flux cored or composite metal wire which requires shielding gas. Not very helpful.

The diameter of the wire you have suggests that it is meant for a fully automated or semi-automated process, i.e. robotic welding, or submerged arc welding. That's huge wire.

Lincoln Electric is very helpful about answering questions. I've only contacted them via e-mail but I've heard that they will answer questions over the phone as well.

It's impossible to say what your wire is worth until you find out exactly what it is, of course, but you might get a rough estimate by checking the prices of each class of wire through an online retailer. In general, the price per pound goes down as the size of the roll gets larger and as the diameter of the wire gets larger. 60# rolls seem somewhat small for wire that large. Lincoln sells 500# drums and 600# reels of wire.

I'd be interested in what you find out.

All the best, Stan

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Bob Farrell

09-30-2007 05:18:02




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 09-29-2007 16:33:55  
Davis in SC and Stan in OLY,Wa. - Thanks for the replies. The wire has a copper colored coating over some real bright looking wire. Wonder if it is some type of stainless?? I went all the way through the inventory sheet listed by Lincoln and couldn't find it, so I assume it is discontinued.

I'll keep looking - if I find something - I'll post back. Thanks again bob f.



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Stan in Oly, WA

09-30-2007 09:37:41




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 09-30-2007 05:18:02  
Hi Bob,

Most stainless is non-magnetic so putting a magnet against it may settle that issue. It can still be stainless if it's magnetic but the odds are against it. If it's non-magnetic, though, it's almost certainly stainless, and it's worth a lot of money.

Good luck, Stan



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Bob Farrell

10-01-2007 05:09:15




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 09-30-2007 09:37:41  
Stan in OLY,Wa - I put a small (3/4" round X 1/8" thick) magnet against the coil and it stuck - but not with much force. I've kind of run into a brick wall trying to identify what it is. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks !! bob f.



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Stan in Oly, WA

10-01-2007 07:19:56




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 Re: Coils of wire in reply to Bob Farrell, 10-01-2007 05:09:15  
Hi Bob,

If you haven't contacted Lincoln Electric yet, that's your best shot. Their General Questions number is 216-481-8100. If you click on Contact Us from their home page, and then click on General Questions for more options, you can get to an e-mail page with a drop-down menu that lets you get pretty specific about the kind of question you want to ask.

How did you come into possession of this large amount of exotic material? The retail value of what you've got would be in the $6,000 to $10,000 range if sold by the individual roll, assuming it's solid mild steel wire. It could be worth quite a bit more if it's flux cored or composite metal (dual shield) wire, and even more if it were some grade of stainless that was magnetic. Each degree more exotic narrows the potential market, though.

If you run into a dead end about finding a market for it and have no option but to sell it for scrap, then it would be better if it were not flux cored. Scrap dealers rejected tons of stick electrodes from the local community college several years ago because of the flux coating. We toss damaged rolls of flux core wire in the scrap bin but there's obviously a difference between a roll or two in a truckload of scrap and a whole truckload of it.

All the best, Stan

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