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Harbor Freight - what are they thinking?

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Kent in KC

09-28-2007 07:25:36




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Went a-shopping for a 36-oz and 12-oz. ball peen yesterday. Was amazed at the crap HF had. Loose heads, crude casting and grinding. After the heads were set on the handles, THEN they painted the heads. Looked like they used a four inch brush, half the paint went on the handle. Like a three yr old did it. Made in CHINA (so maybe a three yr old DID do it?) $4-5 per hammer. I took a pass.

Don't these guys realize the perception they create about ALL their tools when they put garbage like that on the rack?

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TyTX

10-01-2007 08:43:28




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
HF does sell some trash... well, a LOT of trash... but I've done pretty well by them when I'm careful.

I have a CHINA made combination wrench set that if you're blindfolded you couldn't tell the difference between it or Snap-on. The feel is the same and the fit is the same. After rebuilding a few tractors and truck engines, they still look good and fit tight.

My IR impact driver came from there too and it's still ticking after a long licking.

The 3/8 air ratchet has seen the most use and abuse but it's still doing the job. Quite a surprise for a $15 Chicago Pneumatic piece of trash.

I still buy my sockets from PROTO, S&K and sometimes Craftsman but the deep impact set came from HF and has proven indestructible. My ratchets and extensions also are quality tools.

The bottom line is you have to think about what you're buying. If you make your living by your tools, invest in yourself. If you're a hobby mechanic you can save a lot of your tractor funds by sifting through the trash at HF. Sometimes they make mistakes and sell some pretty good stuff.

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soundguy

10-01-2007 15:38:47




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to TyTX, 10-01-2007 08:43:28  
Ditto.. as long as you overlook the trash. there are a few deals to be had.

I have a large wrench set, and a 1/2 and 3/4" BIG socket set. Cost me 65$ for all. had that been a name brand.. might have been hundrees of dollars.

I've had my entire body weight hanging on a pipe on those breaker bars,a nd on the wrenches...

good value for the tools i got vs what I paid.... just got to be carefull.

soundguy

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TimV

10-01-2007 16:01:27




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to soundguy, 10-01-2007 15:38:47  
I'm with you--if I wanted to pay Snap-on prices, I'd buy Snap-on. Got a 3/8" to 1 1/4" wrench set for $20 from Cummins--same set that HF and others sell. Snap-on set would run $500+. Haven't broke one yet, though I did bend the 9/16" open-end. Most times you don't need to put eye-bulging torque on them, and if you use common sense they'll hold up fine. Yes, I do have better wrenches for the smaller sizes, and I usually use them in preference to the cheapie set, but even then it's handy to have them for anything from a backer to tighten a nut/bolt combo to something like Pex fittings, which take large wrenches but don't need a lot of torque. Also, if I've got to bend, file, grind, etc. one to get it to fit a special application, I don't feel guilty. I've put a 6-foot pipe and my full 200+ (more + than I like to admit....) pounds on the breaker bar of my 3/4" socket set and have even used my 1" impact on them without breaking one. It wasn't by choice, and I put on a face shield with safety goggles beneath it in case something did let loose, but when something really needs to get done, you do what you have to do. I feel that both of these sets were money very well spent, and the beauty of it is that I've got several hundred dollars still in my pocket over what I would have paid for high-dollar tools.

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soundguy

10-01-2007 16:40:42




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to TimV, 10-01-2007 16:01:27  
Ditto.

I've ground and hot wrenched a few chinese tools that I'd never dreamd of doing to my craftsman set ( I keep a 3/8 drive set and a wrench set.. for my 'good tools'.. etc..)

Soundguy



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easterncowboy

09-30-2007 19:03:21




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Around here they say if you dont want your shop broke into put "ALL Harbor Freight tools inside" sign on the door and your safe.



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redtom

09-29-2007 19:50:28




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
I've been to HF a couple times and yeah, I know you can't keep from buying Chinese. But, I avoid it when I can. I make my living turning wrenches and almost all are Snap On. They're pricey. But, I consider it my share of not selling out. And the chinese stuff I got...I make sure my kids don't handle the painted areas.



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Lanse

09-29-2007 16:54:07




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
I got a battery charger from them. I was desprate! Its pretty good quality, but I do try to avoid them and other places like that. I usually spend extra ON CHEAPER TOOLS (hammers, screwdrivers, wrenches) but I was more then willing to take some chances and save 2/3 and it was worth it. Most of my hand tools are craftsmans, most power tools are Black&White



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

09-29-2007 09:19:56




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Boy, from what I read in this forum HF must have pretty bad products. The Canadian equivalent(?), Princess Auto, has sold me some very good tools and equipment over the last eight years, and at very reasonable prices.

We have come to respect the Princess Auto brand, and to harbour a lot less resentment for it than for other marquees which have offended us in dozens of small ways over the years.

Maybe PA isn't the same as HF after all.

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azharry

09-29-2007 09:12:05




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
They're thinking that, there's a sucker born every minute and that's enough to make a decent living. Of course, they could also be thinking about the basic law of economics, supply and demand. Either way people line up or go online to buy their stuff. I look at it another way, you get what you pay for.



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R2D2

09-28-2007 19:10:50




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
You don't have to buy anything from HF,I don't. I sprung the closing jaw on a S-K 16" adjustable wrench that's 30 years old,life time warranty. E-mailed the company and the reply from gomez sez to take it to the nearest S-K store for free parts or replacement unless it's been abused. Going to be interesting when I go into the S-K store and show them the wrench. Is there such a thing as a S-K store,nope. I think there's a few parts places that sell S-K tools,getting the warranty honored,wait and see.

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Fred Sanford

09-28-2007 19:10:01




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
You don't have to buy anything from HF,I don't. I sprung the closing jaw on a S-K 16" adjustable wrench that's 30 years old,life time warranty. E-mailed the company and the reply from gomez sez to take it to the nearest S-K store for free parts or replacement unless it's been abused. Going to be interesting when I go into the S-K store and show them the wrench. Is there such a thing as a S-K store,nope. I think there's a few parts places that sell S-K tools,getting the warranty honored,wait and see.

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Like Life Too Much !

09-28-2007 17:07:00




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
To Rob in MD You actually get under a Jeep supported with HF jackstands? you are braver than I !!!



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RobMD

09-28-2007 18:31:29




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Like Life Too Much !, 09-28-2007 17:07:00  
LOL, I'll assume you think i'm crazy...

#1, the jackstands are SAE approved, they can't allow something that won't meet safety standards (I HOPE?????)

#2 It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand. (like the sticker on the window says)



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MarkB_MI

09-30-2007 04:59:59




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to RobMD, 09-28-2007 18:31:29  
Rob,

SAE is a standards organization. I do not believe they test or certify anything; they only develop standards to which individual manufacturers certify their compliance. I wouldn't bet a nickel that anything sold by HF complies with the standards of SAE or any other standards body. If your idea of excitement is trusting your life to suspect equipment, so be it.



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RobMD

09-28-2007 16:26:47




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
When money is tight for a particular job, I buy their crap. Their crap is nice for beating the crap out of their crap so i can get that job done.

All the while, the nice snap on tools are staying clean and good in the toolbox because i opted to use cheap tools on a job that doesn't require precision. (like tearing apart an old jeep cherokee, i used their jackstands, grinders, wrenches, hammers, and anything else that i didn't want the snap on tools getting used on a piece of crap)

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bradk

09-29-2007 06:58:50




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to RobMD, 09-28-2007 16:26:47  
Rob,I"m not seeing the reasoning behind anything you said.Snap-on tools stay clean in the tool box and the best one,a 3-4k lb. vehicle over you with HF jackstands deciding if you should live or die.All because you cheaped out????? ?

Sorry,not trying to be a jerk,but stop and listen to yourself.



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MarkB_MI

09-28-2007 15:20:52




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Considering that some very reputable tool manufacturers have lost big time product liability lawsuits, I really don't understand how Harbor Freight stays in business. Most of their crap is unsafe to use.

In answer to your question, I think HF knows very well the perception their customers have of their tools: Cheap, cheap, cheap.



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Davis In SC

09-28-2007 18:44:58




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-28-2007 15:20:52  
I never understood how they get by on liability, either... They must have many layers of importers and distributors, as well as some sharp lawyers..



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S. Crum

09-28-2007 08:57:17




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
As long as folks keep buying that stuff, China will keep selling it. Al at work has 2 HF ball pein hammers in his toolbox and both are split down the middle of the head. He calls them his 1/2 price hammers



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Stan in Oly, WA

09-28-2007 08:57:02




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Hi Kent,

The welding and metal shop at the local community college has instituted a policy that Harbor Freight ball peen hammers can't be used at the forge. Apparently more than one has come apart in a potentially dangerous way, and they decided that the best way to prevent an accident was to simply prohibit their use.

I've got some of both the wooden handled and the fiber glass handled ones. It would be hard to say which is worse but they're both pretty bad.

All the best, Stan

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jdemaris

09-28-2007 08:13:41




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
I've been buying from Harbor Freight since the 70s. I've gotten a lot of absolute crap, but also some surprising good stuff. I'm still using some wrenches, grinders, drills, etc. that I bought 30 years ago. On the average, buying from them has been a good deal. Back in the 70s, they were selling Japanese and Italian made stuff. Now, it seems to be mostly Chinese - and yeah, some looks almost homemade.

I buy everything mail-order and don't get the luxury to see stuff before I buy. Seems you've got an advantage with a walk-in store.

I will say this though - they've been really good about taking back stuff I would not accept.

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Vern-MI

09-28-2007 07:57:24




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Seems to be working very well for them.

Need more discerning buyers like yourself.



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Bob

09-28-2007 07:32:00




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
"Don't these guys realize the perception they create about ALL their tools when they put garbage like that on the rack?"

Are you saying SOME of their stuff from "the land of almost right" is BETTER?



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ed19

09-28-2007 07:31:40




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 Re: Harbor Freight - what are they thinking? in reply to Kent in KC, 09-28-2007 07:25:36  
Do you think they care after all the praise they receive for the way they price things so low?



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