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Clarke MIG Welders

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Goose

09-05-2007 18:22:12




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Has anyone else owned a Clarke wire feed welder? If any, what has your experience been?

I've owned one (converted to gas) for about eight years, and it's been nothing but grief. I've probably spent an hour working on it for every five minutes I've spent welding. The main problem seems to be getting a consistent wire speed, plus other feed problems like wire slipping instead of feeding, etc.

I've probably wasted more wire than I've ever used welding. Compounding the problem seems to be no welding supply places have parts or know anything about them. Even on the 'Net, you can't find anything out about them.

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Goose

09-11-2007 17:46:52




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I may have my problem fixed. The Clarke has a plastic liner. I finally pulled the liner out of the hose and found a puncture in it that turned inward and was restricting the wire. I checked with a welding supply company that doesn't have parts for Clarke, but found that Hobart uses a steel liner with the same outside diameter. I lucked out. The fellow on the counter said he had one for a Hobart that had rusted on the end so he couldn't sell it and he was going to throw it out. He told me if I wanted to play with it, I could have it.

It was plenty long enough to cut a section the right length for my Clarke welder. And it fit perfectly in place of the Clarke plastic liner.

I haven't used it for real yet, but on a test panel it worked fine. I have no idea how long the original plastic liner was damaged, or how it got that way. In fact, on the test panel, I made the best welds ever with it, so maybe it's finally good to go.

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Jeff NwOH

09-06-2007 17:37:15




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
Have 2 of them, a Hobby90 and a 185(not a carry around unit, its a big one). I also had a big 140 but traded up to the 185. Got the 2 big ones at Clarke refurbished/returned tool auctions. I've done a ton of welding with all of them. Rebuilt a rusted out dump truck bed w/ the 90. I added a fan to it to keep the thermal from kicking out. No real issues otherwise. Built a skidloader trailer w/ the 140. Only issue w/ that one was that it didn't like the 33lb spools of wire. Drive had a hard time getting them rolling and wire would stick to tip. 185 is a real nice machine, no complaints. Can kick the thermal if you try real hard. Got a better drive setup than the other two. They are not as good as lincoln or miller but they definately are better than the Harbor Freight ones. I also have a Clarke plasma cutter(auction special). Its actually made in the US. There a few places around here that carry clarke welders and parts but I'm 20 minutes from their world headquarters. If you need parts give them a call 419-930-2299(from the phone book). This is an old # from one of my manuals but might still be good too 800-227-9603. Good luck.

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wavrider

09-06-2007 15:59:35




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
The wire feed of any welder is critical due to the amount of pressuer usd on the drive wheels.

The condition of the liner in the cable. the type wire being used.

There are different size drive wheels for different type of wire sizes also.

I Completed the Lincoln basic and Advanced welder repair training last year and was supervisor of maintenance at an ALCOA fabrication company with over 50 mig welders in use.

Over 90% of the maintenance calls for wire feed were improper adjustment of tension or improper wire feed for the type and thickness of metal being welded.

There are several sites online, mylincoln.com or also miller.com where you can actually find a pressuer and speed setting for the type wire and thickness of metal you are welding on.

Not saying you are setting up your machine incorrectly, just stating what I have experienced with trouble calls in the past. some of the welders were level IV certified and stilll had incorrect wire feed settings. It happens.

If re adjusting the settings for wire feed speed and pressure on your drive wheels does not fix the problem then next you may try doing a resistance check on your potentiometers to make sure they are within tolerance and output it correct for the drive motor.

There could be half a dozen things wrong with the drive function of the welder.

Try these few checks if you do not have any joy with getting it to operate correctly come back and we wil continue trouble shooting the welder.

P.S. check the roundness of the drive rollers to se if they are out of round. this can be big headache also.

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Goose

09-06-2007 11:03:16




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
Thanks for the input. For the record, I have the EN 150, 230 volt.



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TomTex

09-06-2007 06:42:24




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
The cheapness of the purchase is soon forgotten, but the quality of a good product like a Miller will last you a long time. Americans and their penny pinching is why the shelves are full of cheap China junk. Tom



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BobOHIO

09-08-2007 15:03:30




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to TomTex, 09-06-2007 06:42:24  
I agree. I have a Lincoln and Miller both and yes they did cost a lot. But, everytime I flip the switch they work great, and I know they will for many years to come. In the long run I'm money ahead and don't have the headaches of a cheap machine. Plus I just like buying USA tools.



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Dusty MI

09-06-2007 06:33:49




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I have a Mac off a Mac tool truck, I bought used, it's made in Italy so could be same welder. I've had it several years and had a few problems with it. That last one is it blew the gas regular. Any one know where I can get a new regulator?

Dusty



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cj3b_jeep

09-06-2007 05:04:04




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I have the Clarke EN135, I've had it for 8 years and it works well. I almost always use it with gas. I had a small problem with the wire not feeding right and bunching up at the feed roller, but it turned out to be cheap wire. If I remember right, mine was made in Italy. If I'd had the money at the time, I would have bought a Miller or Lincoln.



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Dick L

09-05-2007 19:51:45




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I have a EN150 and am planning on calling them in the morning. About a year ago the wire welded its self to the inside of the cable liner. I ordered a new cable liner from the factory in AK. I have run a spool and a half of wire and it welded its self inside the cable again. It happens when I am welding thicker material. Probly something I am doing wrong but I will call and see what they say. I see they have the corp offices in Perrysburg Ohio now. Might not get any help from them now.

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RobMD

09-05-2007 19:20:24




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
Anyone know if I can buy a cheap harbor freight small welder to weld some sheetmetal plates in a floorpan? Will they last for a while doing stuff like that?



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Stan in Oly, WA

09-05-2007 21:07:11




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to RobMD, 09-05-2007 19:20:24  
Hi Rob,

If you"re going to use a welder only once, or at least very infrequently, I"d second the suggestion Dave (135 Fan) made previously: rent a quality welder somewhere. I have some experience with Harbor Freight welders (though very little with their wire feed welders, I"ll admit) and quite a bit of experience with other brands of cheap welders. I"d be hard pressed to name another tool that can frustrate you as much by its poor performance as a cheap welder can. Furthermore, the worse a welder works the better the operator has to be to get anything approaching acceptable performance out of it. Some of the equipment I"ve seen, including one of H/F"s cheapest stick welders, is so bad that I think the world"s most expert operator might not be able to get it to perform adequately. I strongly suspect that many inexperienced users have been so discouraged by trying to weld with terrible equipment that they gave up welding altogether.

All the best, Stan

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135 Fan

09-06-2007 18:56:23




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 09-05-2007 21:07:11  
I totally agree with you Stan. That's why it's a good idea to take a course using good equipment or demo a good machine before you buy a cheap one. I'm sure zillions of people wouldn't have been so discouraged trying to learn how to weld. Dave



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J.T.L.

09-05-2007 19:19:07




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I bought a new Clarke 180 near the end of 2004. I don`t use the gas because I use the unit outdoors. I do not use it every day, but have never had any problems with it. It in a newer model than the 2 already mentioned, so maybe some bugs have been worked out on later models. Soon after getting my unit, I mentioned it to someone on the internet, who was looking for a mig for home hobby use. He checked it out and bought one. He e-mailed me several times to thank me for putting him on to the Clarke 180. Told me he fell in love with the welder after a few times useing it. Sure made me feel better about having bought one without asking about them prior to buying mine.

John

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TimV

09-05-2007 19:00:15




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
Clarke is just Tractor Supply Corp (TSC)'s house brand for the same (usually) China-made stuff sold by Harbor Freight, Northern Tool, Homier, Cummins, Grizzly, etc. etc. It's quite possible that any of these other places will have a nearly identical welder, and you may be able to get a manual or repair tips using one of their model numbers. Haven't had any personal experience with the Clarke welder specifically, but several friends have 110-v units by some of the other brands mentioned above and all of them have been nearly worthless. I own just as much discount-store stuff as the next guy, but I draw the line at welders.

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135 Fan

09-05-2007 19:58:37




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to TimV, 09-05-2007 19:00:15  
Clarke is not a TSC brand but are an inexpensive wire welder for light duty use. If set up properly it should work but don't expect it to work as good as more expensive Lincoln or Miller unit. Some of the cheaper machines can do a satisfactory job. Keep the gun as straight as possible and never walk or roll anything over the hose for the gun. It could distort or crush it which would cause fedding problems. If you're going to do more welding buy a better machine. If you only have a little to do you might be better off renting a small machine. Even Home Depot has small wire feed welders. Dave

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TimV

09-05-2007 20:14:10




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to 135 Fan, 09-05-2007 19:58:37  
Are they US-made? I know that a lot of the China-made stuff TSC sells goes by the Clarke brand (for instance, I have one of their 4x6 bandsaws that is identical to the Harbor Freight one) and I figured they might be doing the same rebranding with their welders.



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XRogerx

09-05-2007 18:32:29




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 Re: Clarke MIG Welders in reply to Goose, 09-05-2007 18:22:12  
I remember using one at the shop about 7 years ago. Performed OK, but was very messy, although that is probably true of all flux-core welding. Generally, I find all Clarke stuff to be poorly made. I used a Clarke grinder at the last shop I worked at, and the dragging of a few stray wire strands on a wire wheel against the guard was enough to keep the grinder from spinning up, not to mention the grinding wheel supplied with the machine was about 1/4" out of true which made it vibrate worse than a paint shaker.

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