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ldj

09-02-2007 18:56:09




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I want to run buried wire 60' to my shop. There will be a Lincoln cracker box ac welder and an air compressor with a 5hp motor. Other than that just a few lights. What size wire should I use?
L.D.




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Steve Crum

09-03-2007 21:34:58




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to ldj, 09-02-2007 18:56:09  
I priced 2 2 2 4 AL just this afternoon at Lowes. $1.85 per foot. Installing a 50 amp sub panel next to the 200 amp main panel in the house. I'll power the 50 amp panel from the main panel thru a 60 amp transfer switch and tie the criticals like the well, furnace, hot water heater and down stairs lights to it. The other side of the transfer will plug into my Hobart G-3010 with the 10,000 watt generator.

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buickanddeere

09-04-2007 09:01:59




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to Steve Crum, 09-03-2007 21:34:58  
Here is the way to install a generator transfer switch much neater than the aux "emergency panel" . #1 No need to lengthen load wires from your existing panel to reach the generator panel.#2 no space required for 2nd panel. 3rd not backed into a corner with a few circuits, 4th no need to run a heavy feed over from the main panel to the generator panel. Most people get the idea they really only need a few essentials powered up from the generator. Why sell yourself short? It's annoying to have the generator running and go from room to room flicking on light switches out of habit but not having the lights come on. The lighting circuits draw very little yet they can takeup 6 to 18 circuits in your main panel . Most of these generator panels only have 4 to 8 breakers. I've seen people get so stuck on the "generator panel" idea. That they spend more money on the generator panel just to obtain less functionality than using a main panel with a built in transfer switch. Can't tell them that however. They just keep saying " but we only need just a few essentials, but we only need just a few essentials, but we only need just a few essentials". Well being able to flip on any light on the place is essential.


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Charles (in GA)

09-03-2007 06:12:29




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to ldj, 09-02-2007 18:56:09  
You really need 2-2-2-4 AL. Article 215 of the code governs branch circuit installations (which this is). Table 310.16 says #2 AL in USE-2 is good for 100 amps. This would be the four wire twisted, direct burial "mobile home service" cable. If you have lots of rocks, you might want conduit.

As a sub-panel off of your house main panel, you have to have four wires, two hots, a neutral and a separate ground. In addition, the sub-panel at the outbuilding must have the neutral and ground bars isolated from each other. Many small panels (six to eight breaker size) come only with one bar, insulated from the box, use this for the neutral and buy an additional ground bar and screw it directly to the box, they usually provide additional screw holes properly spaced for this. Also sink a ground rod and tie it to this ground bar. many localities insist on bare solid copper for the ground rod wire, but the code allows alot of leeway, just that you cannot splice it.

It sounds like you need to consult with an electrician or someone knowledgeable in your local requirements in addition to the NEC.

Bad wiring burns down alot of houses and buildings each year, so do it right.

Charles

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Dusty MI

09-03-2007 05:57:14




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to ldj, 09-02-2007 18:56:09  
Put the largest you can afford today, in a 2" PVC conduit. Then down the road you need/can afford larger you can change it.



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old

09-02-2007 21:18:52




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to ldj, 09-02-2007 18:56:09  
Go whit as heavy as you can affrod. The reason is in the future you may end up wanting to add more and then you will need to run some new wire. I would go with at least a 100 amp service if not a 200 amp one. BTDT and found out you will always want more



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Greg_Ky

09-02-2007 19:24:30




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to ldj, 09-02-2007 18:56:09  
Follow the link below and use the handy dandy calculator. #6AWG. 1% voltage drop @ 60ft.(240v.1ph.)



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Greg_Ky

09-02-2007 19:26:13




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to Greg_Ky, 09-02-2007 19:24:30  
Forgot to mention for 50amp. circuit. Witch is what the Lincoln requires.



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buickanddeere

09-03-2007 12:41:10




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to Greg_Ky, 09-02-2007 19:26:13  
100amp service required.



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paul

09-02-2007 20:24:57




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to Greg_Ky, 09-02-2007 19:26:13  
You'd want at least a 60 amp service???? You said welder _AND_ lights. It's possible you will have a drill or charger plugged in at the same time too?

I understand, you will only use the welder _or_ the 5hp motor at one time, and so forth.

But, you want to plan for 60 amps, don't you? We never, ever, downsize the use of power, do we? :) :) :)

--->Paul



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steveormary

09-02-2007 20:58:18




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to paul, 09-02-2007 20:24:57  
ldj;

Use 2-2-4 USE cable and pull it thru inch and a quarter pvc. This should give you plenty of ampacity. Go with your local codes.

steveormary



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RustyFarmall

09-03-2007 05:48:59




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to steveormary, 09-02-2007 20:58:18  
Ditto on the 2-2-4. About 8 years ago it cost about a buck a foot. Probably about 2 bucks a foot now.



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steveormary

09-03-2007 21:57:10




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-03-2007 05:48:59  
Rusty; When I was in the business I think I figgured $3.00/ft for the 2-2-4 USE,pvc conduit,trench and labor. For grounding we were allowed to use a ground rod at the bldg.panel.

steveormary



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Bryan in Iowa

09-03-2007 13:10:43




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 Re: what size wire to use in reply to RustyFarmall, 09-03-2007 05:48:59  
Just bought 300 ft 2/2/4 al . Menards , $1.08 ft. got to get it wired and trenched in next weekend at hunting cabin .



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