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CBBC

08-30-2007 19:30:04




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Ok, what's the differance between Urethane, Polyurethane, and Spar Urethane.

I want a hard, clear finish on a fruit cleaner. It is oak and maple - nice looking grain, but it must be washable for food safty etc.

It's called a Cranberry Bounce Board Seperator. The pattent on the machine says 1932, but I think the machine is from the 50's or 60's.

Any info would be appreciated. I'll post pics when its running.

Thanks, Grant

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

09-01-2007 16:55:36




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
The important distinction between spar varnish and polyurethane is that urethane hardens and spar varnish doesn't.

Because the urethane hardens, the sun's action on wood causes it to crack. The cracks wick water under the film and the result turns black. Never use urethane out of doors.

Spar varnish has resins which don't completely harden. When the wood swells and shrinks, the finish cracks, same as the urethane, but the sun welds it back together again to some degree. This makes the finish quite durable out of doors. Don't under any conditions use spar varnish for bookshelves.

Hope this helps.

Rod

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CBBC

09-01-2007 21:04:43




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 09-01-2007 16:55:36  
Thanks Rod. I used Wood Shield (Home Hardware Brand) Quick Dry Clear Coat - polyurethane. I gave the machine two coats this afternoon. The first coat dried pretty quick - it was about 24deg. C. The second coat went on real nice, but is still tacky - cooled off and this evening.

This cleaner is used in the packing shed so it won't be in the sun at all. I may give it another coat tomorrow.

Will post pictures when I start to pick fruit in a couple weeks.

By the way Rod, caught any fish for smoking lately? We just had some fresh Coho yesterday. My friend and father inlaw went out to Ucelulet on the west coast of the island last week. They brought back a pile of Springs, Coho and Halibut - I think there was over 300 lbs of fish total.

Grant

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MarkB_MI

08-31-2007 19:35:10




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
Urethane finishes are much harder than traditional spar varnish, but I would never use urethane for anything that will be out in the sun. The UV will break down the finish, it will peel and then you're left with a mess that is nearly impossible to refinish without stripping back to wood.

My personal favorite finish for outdoors is Z-Spar Captain's Varnish. It has a UV inhibitor so it can stand the sunlight much longer than most urethane finishes. It does not peel and is easy to refinish.

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Dick2

08-31-2007 15:17:31




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
Oil based polyurethane will "yellow" the maple and, in my opinion, make it look ugly. Water-based polyurethane will give you a clear coat, but it is not as durable as oil-based poly. Whatever you use, sand lightly between coats and apply 3-4 coats for this application.



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CBBC

08-31-2007 19:33:11




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to Dick2, 08-31-2007 15:17:31  
Thanks, Dick



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CBBC

08-31-2007 12:58:26




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
Thanks guys, I'll post pics when I get it done.
Grant



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Cliff(VA)

08-31-2007 05:04:34




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
CBBC,

Generally the terms "urethane" and "polyurethane" are used interchangably. Polyurethane is a good, waterclear coating with good water resistance and a long life.

However, polyurethane degrades rapidly in UV light. Therefore it is not good for use outdoors in the sun. Manufacturers add UV inhibitors (to get rid of the sunlight problem) to polyurethane and beef up the solids and sell them under the name of "spar urethane". "Spar varnish" is a class of finishes that has been used for years on boats (and is slightly yellowish).

No clear finish lasts forever in the sun. If you are going to store it inside for the rest of its life any of the urethanes or polyurethanes are probably OK. If you want authenticity, I would look at spar varnishes or oil type finishes designed for outdoor use. Or you can use the tougher spar polyurethane.

The choice is up to you

HTH

Cliff (VA)

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amateur wood worker

08-31-2007 04:36:37




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 Re: OT - Wood Clear Coat in reply to CBBC, 08-30-2007 19:30:04  
I always thought that urethane and polyurethane were liquid plastic that sealed the wood from water, steam, etc. dont know the differance between them.



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