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What type of stainless rusts?

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carl

06-13-2001 16:19:59




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I scavenged 2 burnt orchard sprayers that had purportedly stainless tanks. All the seams are welded with shiny stainless. These tanks are rusting inside and out. What can I do to stop the rust or should I junk them like the previous owner? I'd love to use them in a long term use if they would last. THANKS




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Steve U.S. Alloys

06-14-2001 07:05:01




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 Re: What type of stainless rusts? in reply to carl, 06-13-2001 16:19:59  
Here's the problem Carl. 304 is most likely the composition. Lot's of things like fertilizer equipment are manufactured of 304 because it's cheap. When stainless ( or any other carbon bearing steel for that matter) is heated, the carbides migrate to the HAZ of the metal. If these tanks were in a fire, the carbides are concentrated on the surface.

In welding, 304 is certainly going to rust along both sides of the weld in the HAZ unless the protective oxide layer is restored. This can be done with a pickling paste/heat tint remover.

Due to the high carbon content in 304, the rust problem is the most extreme of austenitic stainless steels.

You will need to neutralize the rust at this point before applying the chemical treatment. I can't see the tanks but if I could, I might even tell you they are too far gone.

If you can't find this chemical, we'll have it. The site is www.usalloysweld/tech.com and the phone is 1-800-325-1568.

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MarkB

06-14-2001 03:33:38




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 Re: What type of stainless rusts? in reply to carl, 06-13-2001 16:19:59  
All stainless steels will corrode under certain conditions. I've seen 304 stainless steel screws dissolve to almost nothing in a few weeks when they were used below the waterline of a boat that was kept in salt water.

The most common stainless steels are the 300 and 400 series. You can identify the 300 series easily because a magnet won't stick to them.

Chances are, if the steel is non-magnetic, it's probably 304. 304, also called "18-8" (18 percent nickel, 8 percent chromium) is a good tradeoff between cost, tensile strength and corrosion resistance. 316 is much stronger, more corrosion resistant, and more expensive. (The 400 series is used in applications where strength is more important than corrosion resistance. 440, for example, is commonly used for knife blades.)

Anyone who has run a boat on salt water will tell you that stainless just "stains less".

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Mark Kw

06-13-2001 19:08:21




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 Re: What type of stainless rusts? in reply to carl, 06-13-2001 16:19:59  
302 and 304 series stainless steels will rust. All they are in the basic nutshell is a low nickle/chrome content steel that is not really stainless. They will resist rust to a point but not very well. When you get up into the 308, 309 and 316 stainless alloys, you got something.

As for these sprayers, I'd use them till they leak then scrap them out and go buy new ones. I prefer the heavy duty commercial all plastic ones. They will run you $80+ each for a 3 or 4 gallon but are well worth the money. I have one I use with a caustic detergent used for cleaning engines and one with kerosene in for cleaning #6 oil from piping system parts. I have these about 5 years and both are holding up fine.

I used to get the epoxy coated steel ones but every one of them rusted out in a couple years. There is no real good way of stopping the rust on the stainless ones you have and you'll probably waste more time trying to save them than it is worth to just buy a couple new ones when these go bad completely.

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Japanese

06-13-2001 18:15:28




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 Re: What type of stainless rusts? in reply to carl, 06-13-2001 16:19:59  



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