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Joe Smyly

08-15-2007 21:02:50




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I just purchased a Ford 1500. Battery was dead. I cleaned off cables and posts. Now...I get sparks when I try to reconnect the cables. I connect negative to ground and positive to the starter. I even tried to reverse the cables and got even bigger sparks. My volt meter shows 12.4 volts across the posts. Purchased new battery with the same results. Help my feeble mind to figure this out. Thanks!

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Joe Smyly

08-16-2007 14:24:15




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-15-2007 21:02:50  
I found the short! Thanks for all of the advice. I really appreciate your help...and I learned a few new things too. Fortunately, I did not ruin the starter. So all is well.



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Joe Smyly

08-16-2007 07:42:06




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-15-2007 21:02:50  
Thank you gentlemen. I kind of figured, but hoped otherwise, that it would be an electrical problem. The ignition switch does act a little difficult. If you can think of anything else, PLEASE write.

Thanks!

Joe



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soundguy

08-16-2007 08:08:04




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-16-2007 07:42:06  
Sounds like you've already been told.

If you do indeed have a draw.. trace the wiring.

Ilike to use a test lamp inline with my + battery cable... if the lmap is on.. current is flowing.

I then start unhooking wires till i find the one drawing power ( makes the lmap go off.)

In your case.. i'd start at the alternator and work towards the key switch.. etc..

Soundguy



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soundguy

08-16-2007 07:29:25




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-15-2007 21:02:50  
Joe.. how much do the electronics in that tractor cost? You may well have just SMOKED every solid state device on that tractor when you hooked the battery up backwards.

Silicon and germanium junctions last only milliseconds under that kind of torture.

Good luck.

i agree with the others.. the initial sparks you saw were some kind of load.. perhaps a small inrush of something charging.. or something wired wrong.. like and incorrect 3-wire alternator setup with the field always excited.

in either case.. I'm guessing yuo will be working on an alternator / regulator soon!

good luck..

Soundguy

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John T

08-16-2007 05:49:16




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-15-2007 21:02:50  
As always old is right on the money in my opinion. Theres got to be a current draw (load or short) to cause the sparks. However, I believe there may be some types of solid state alternator or voltage regulators that might draw an initial temporary current surge just when first connected but that would stop shortly thereafter buttttt ttt Im NOT sure on what types of equipment that may or may not be so, sorry.

The true and meaningful test is whether or not any current draw continues which will obviously discharge the battery. As old mentioned make sure theres no lights or switches or ignition etc left on which is the cause of the current draw. If you had a sensitive enough (current draw may be very slight) clamp on type of ammeter it OR A GOOD WORKING AMMEETR can be used to verify if theres continuing current flow after the connection is made. Does it have an ammeter?? What does it show sitting with battery removed versus once its connected??

Its possible to use a test lamp or a voltmeter to try n trace down where a short may be. If you remove the hot ungrounded battery cable and place one test lamp lead to the bare battery post and the other to any source of a ground (even if low resistive) the lamp will glow indicating theres a short somewhere..... ... if one lead is on the bare battery post and the other to the removed hot battery cable end and it lights up, that says theres a short or a load (lights or ignition etc ON) somewhere AND IF IT FLASHES JUST TEMPORARILY BUT THEN GOES OFF, THAT MAY JUST BE AN ALTERNATOR OR VOLTAGE REGULATOR INITIALLY SETTING UP AS MENTIONED ABOVE AND ALL IS OKAY (but I wouldnt bet too much on that lol),,,,, ,,

BOTTOM LINE if a test lamp from the bare battery post to the removed hot battery cable end glows constantly (and ignition and lights are OFF), THERES A SHORT which causes the sparking you observed and will discharge the battery.

Check the wiring and alternator and any external voltage regulator (have a shop test it) etc first

John T

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buickanddeere

08-16-2007 06:33:18




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to John T, 08-16-2007 05:49:16  
Correct john t. My vehicles all spark when the battery is 1st connected. The capacitors in the filtered power supply for the VCM appear to be almost a dead short until they charge. Of course somebody may have reverse polarity connected the battery previous and smoked the alternator diodes. A failing alternator can also draw current and flatten the battery.



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old

08-15-2007 21:16:26




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 Re: Battery puzzle in reply to Joe Smyly, 08-15-2007 21:02:50  
First place to check is a bad alternator. Then from there you just plain and simple have a short some place. So if disconnecting the alternator doesn't stop the spark you will then need to start unplugging wires and replugging them till you find where the short is. Also you don't by chance have the key on or maybe a light switch on??

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