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I need some info on MIG welders

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Bud in NC

08-06-2007 12:50:59




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I've got a friend who is looking for a MIG welder. Right now he's wanting to weld some 1/8" angle iron to an existing angle iron frame to extend a shed roof. He may also ONEDAY do some minor repairs to his boat trailers.
Does anyone know of a good "home owner" package deal with an auto darkening hood, gloves and welder? A 110v unit would be best for him.
I welded in power plants for years but I did stick and TIG - I have very little experience with MIG. What's the best deal going? Thanks for any info!

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ohio

08-12-2007 17:14:16




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
buy an american made jackson hood! you're eyes are too valuable to trust chinese q.c. to! they couldn't care less if you are blind!



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souNdguy

08-07-2007 08:31:27




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
110v welders are neat toys.. but i wouldn't use one to weld up an on the road trailer.

As Bob points out.. shielding gas and wind to not mix.. that means flux wire.. or .. switch to an arc welder.

A good cheap HD arc welder can be as cheap as a 'toy' mig welder..

Soundguy



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ohio

08-12-2007 17:12:00




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to souNdguy, 08-07-2007 08:31:27  
a lincoln 600 idealarc!
no, but a nice 220v 185 amp hobart would be my smallest choice. and go with a sheilding gas, fluxcore by itself is not much good. run co2 & fluxcore, or sweetgas(co2 75%, argon 25%) & solid wire. or better yet, get an ac/dc buzzbox & some 6013. it'll look good & be plenty strong. if you're worried, and/or know what you're doing, run 1/8" 7018. you'll save alot of $



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Bud in NC

08-07-2007 17:35:43




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to souNdguy, 08-07-2007 08:31:27  
I agree - any "real" welds I do are 7018 DC stick. My friend and I live a couple of states apart now and I'm in the process of moving even farther away. That's the only reason I haven't loaded a machine and gone to camp out and do his welding for him already. I've told him that if it can wait a couple of months I'll come do it, but it sounds kinda like he's looking for a new toy - and I'll still be going down to do the welding & give him some basic welding lessons at a later date. I'd love to do it now but moving is gonna have to take priority.
It was 105� & humid here today - we're moving to a mountian top in WV - it was 84� there today.

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souNdguy

08-08-2007 05:05:18




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-07-2007 17:35:43  
Good luck on the move!

Soundguy



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Bud in NC

08-07-2007 03:47:21




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
Thanks for the info! I'll pass it on to him. It's one of those situations where I think it's going to be a new toy for a short while but he'll never do anything real serious with it. He's my age and retired - welding seems to be something you learn young if you're really interested. I'd hate to see him waste a lot of money on an expensive unit to let it collect dust...'course, maybe he'll clean up his shop in a few years and sell it to me cheap...

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135 Fan

08-06-2007 19:21:03




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
I don't think any packages come with auto helmets but a good welding supply would be able to set him up. I would recommend a 220 machine because if he decides to do more and heavier material in the future he will have the machine to do it. If he only needs it for a couple of jobs, why not rent a small MIG welder. Home Depot even has them for rent. If he really needs a 110 machine I would do like others have said and go to a welding supply and get a name brand like Lincoln or Miller. They might even have a demo booth to try different machines out. Most packages I've seen come with a cheap hand held mask and not even a helmet. Look for the highest amperage machine so you can use a size larger wire which will have less problems. Also try to find one with a removable liner and gun parts so that they can be changed without having to buy a complete new gun and cable assembly. A machine that the polarity can be switched easily is a good idea in case he has to do some welding outside. He could then use self shielded flux-core that won't be affected by a light breeze. If this all fails, tell him to rent a good DC stick welder for you so you can do the welding. Tell him you really prefer TIG but then you'ld need a bunch of screens to shield any wind. I know you're just aching to get back welding. Nows your chance. LoL Dave PS. Good to hear from you.

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glennster

08-06-2007 14:45:27




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
if he is going to do some fabrication, 1/8 inch or better, old angle iron ect, a stick welder may be a better choice. you can get a good 225 amp 220v single phase for under 500 easy. you wont need to worry about shielding gas, tank lease ect. altho mig is nice, i have 4 or 5, for quick repairs i grab the stick welder, i also have a dc welder on my farmall m that runs off the belt pulley, real handy for remote breakdowns.if he is set on a mig, do like greg said and go to a welding store, get a name brand that you can get parts for.

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Bob

08-06-2007 13:41:05




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
You aren't going to get much penetration with a 120-Volt unit to be joining structural members.

Also, if there is any breeze at all it really raises heck with the shielding gas, making it impossible to weld.



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Greg_Ky

08-06-2007 13:04:32




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 Re: I need some info on MIG welders in reply to Bud in NC, 08-06-2007 12:50:59  
If it were my friend I would take him down to the local welding supply and have him look at a Lincoln SP-135T 120 volt MIG set up with .023 70S6 wire and either 75/25 or 80/20 (Argon/Co2) mixed gas. He would not be sorry. (the sp-135t is a heavier machine than they sell at home depot).HTH



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