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Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards?

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circus

08-03-2007 18:03:32




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Interested in getting a harbor freight 7200 w generator head, 45416-1VGA, for my lawn mowers PTO. Is there a backwards rotation on a generator?




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circus

08-04-2007 13:44:30




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
Thanks all. To answer any mysteries the mower is a ariens GT18 , kohler twin. Could use the mower, cultivator or blower pto. All @ engine speed but different rotation



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buickanddeere

08-04-2007 12:25:20




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
Find out if the GT's pto is 540, 2000 or some other rpms. If the fan is symetrical, rotation won't matter unless there is a grooved seal somewhere.



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Tim Casbolt

08-04-2007 11:24:05




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
I've built five pto generators from the Italian version of that head. Harbor Freight switched to the Chinese one a few years ago. It can spin in either direction. Pictures are posted on machinebuilders.net in the completed projects section. I could answer any questions you might have.



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KEB

08-04-2007 08:36:43




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
The manual should tell you which way it turns. I'd suspect its like most everything else and turns clockwise looking at it from the drive (pulley) end.

If you garden tractor has enough power to turn the generator with the engine at something less than max RPM, it would be good to select pulley sizes to keep the engine turning as slow as possible and still get full output. For example, if you select pulleys to turn the generator at 3600 RPM with the engine turning at some lower RPM, say 2000, the engine will use less fuel, last longer, and be a LOT quieter.

7.2 kW is a little under 10 horsepower assuming no losses. In practice, it would probably take something on the order of 12 - 14 horsepower to turn the generator at full load. Depending on how your lawn mower engine is rated, it may or may not be able to put out this much power at a lower RPM.

One other thing to watch is how well the governor on the mower engine works. Maintaining a constant speed isn't particularly important for mowing lawns, but it is for running a generator. On a self-excited generator, which this most likely is, output voltage as well as frequency is directly proportional to generator speed. You don't want excessive dips when you apply a load, or even worse, surges when you remove a load, because the lawn mower governor can't respond fast enough.

Keith

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JT

08-04-2007 06:05:49




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
If you are going to run it off the PTO of your tractor, you may have to do a little speed gearing to get the correct generator RPM. As Kent said, the generaor it self must run at 3600 rpm to get 60hz. If you do not have 60hz, you can burn up a your household appliances.



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Gerald J.

08-03-2007 20:39:04




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
The cooling fan may have a favorite direction. The AC generator probably won't have a favorite direction.

Hooking up a 3 phase with the wrong order makes the loads run backwards.

Gerald J.



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Kent of SWMO

08-03-2007 18:25:25




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
If it is a brushless generator head it will not matter. You just need to turn it 3600 RPM's for 60 hertz.

Kent



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WHITE CLOUD

08-03-2007 18:10:01




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 Re: Is it possible to rotate a generator backwards? in reply to circus, 08-03-2007 18:03:32  
Years ago I was told if you hook up the wires wrong it will turn backwards. Damage could occur



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