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charles cook

07-26-2007 11:39:16

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i now use dish for tv watching, of course we lose signal each time it clouds u etc.. is direct tv any better in their service. thanks

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Sunspot

07-31-2007 06:39:50

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to dan hill, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

steveormary said: (quoted from post at 11:08:25 07/31/07) They took away RFD tv and I havent looked into what it woulld take to get it back.steveormary

They moved it to a higher chanell, around 270 or something.

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charles cook

07-27-2007 06:25:56

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

i'm certainly finding out more than i thought possible. there are some whiz bang knowledgable peoples out in pc land. my biggest gripe about dish is that the tech support is almost "0".. if i check with them when i lose a signal i get the same reply ea. time we go thru check list, everything is fine. then i'm told to unplug the box. that doesn't solve the problem of losing the satelite in perfectly good weather with nothing wrong with the settings. thanks for some interesting replies.

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Steve Crum

07-27-2007 05:27:57

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I've had Dish Network for I'm thinking about 14 years now. Mine was a DIY installation. The dish itself is 20' up the 40' tower I had to have to get the one channel of VHF we had. I think the only time we loose the signal is when a thunder storm goes through. Cable never came out our road, the cable company which to this day still s**ks, balked and everybody installed satillite TV. One family installed Direct TV but I see they have since switched to Dish Network. The company I bought the original Dish system from went belly up about 6 months after I bought the system so there is not any good local support.

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oldfarmtractor

07-26-2007 20:35:57

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Won't this help keep the signal in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I don't have either system but if I did, I think I would go out and get the maximum signal in a light to medium rain. After all you lose signal because of difference in the index of refraction between water/rain and air, right?

So, using Snell's law, if you do the maximum signal in the light rain, it will bend one way when it gets clear and the other way when it gets more rainy.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

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KEB

07-27-2007 08:44:19

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Re: Won't this help keep the signal in reply to oldfarmtractor, 07-26-2007 20:35:57

Loss during storms has very little to do with refraction and a lot to do with absorbtion. Signal loss during storms is more of a problem at higher latitudes because your're looking through the atmosphere at a lower angle (closer to the horizon) and the signal has to travel through more clouds.

I've had both Dish & Direct, and don't see any significant difference between them.

Here in Colorado the only time we have real problems with signal strength is when it snows and accumulates on the dish itself. Have to go out & clean off the dish (fortunately its on the edge of the balcony where we can reach it). I can only think of a time or two when we've lost signal because of rain, and then only long enough for the thunderstorm cell to move through.

Keith

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[email protected]

07-27-2007 05:32:35

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Re: Won't this help keep the signal in reply to oldfarmtractor, 07-26-2007 20:35:57

The current locators and digital meters peak the signal to the highest possible angles. You can't get it any better so there is no reason to get wet while peaking angles. The meter that our guys use is the birDog.

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DaveK(IN)

07-26-2007 19:23:24

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I just went the other way. Had Direct TV for serveral years. STarted to have loss of signal, went through all the troubleshooting, couldn't get tech support. MY local guy who sold me the Direct TV said he had switched to Dish as a dealer and set me up with a receiver that will let you watch two different programs at the same time along with two remotes (one is wireless) for about $5 less per month (about $43 for lots of channels plus local. I had to go the the top package to get RFD-TV). Like several have said, deal with your local guy. He'll answer the phone.

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buickanddeere

07-26-2007 16:42:54

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

Mount the low noise amp on a larger 39"/1 meter dish. More mechanical gain makes up for the signal absorbed by the rain.

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charles cook

07-26-2007 16:39:54

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

well thanks to all of u. this has been somwhat eye opening to get such good responce. this site is always so helpful about most any subject. i appreciate it

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[email protected]

07-26-2007 14:48:14

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I am a retailer for both Dish and Direct with my full time job. I can tell you that the 119 on Dish should peak out signal around 115 on the signal bar. The 110 satellite should be 100 to 105. This is typical settings on a Dish 500 system. With that, you will only lose signal around 20 minutes total per year. My Direct unit at home peaks at 97 signal. They both show rain fade within seconds of each other. Your best support is a local installer, they are definitly cheaper and closer to home for problems. Feel free to email me directly if you need further.

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Allan In NE

07-26-2007 19:40:19

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to [email protected], 07-26-2007 14:48:14

Never happen because it depends on your location.

I've been with dish since they opened the doors and have moved three times with it.

In the northenmost part of North Dakota, signal strength will top out at 65. Down here in Nebraska, the highest I've ever seen is 75.

Allan

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big fred

07-26-2007 20:18:41

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to Allan In NE, 07-26-2007 19:40:19

Yup, as I mentioned below, your maximum signal depends on the gain of your receive antenna (pretty much the same for all the Ku band systems like DirecTV and DISH) and your local EIRP from the satellite. Here's a link to the Telstar 5 (the original DIRECTV satellite) EIRP map. Because the satellites are in geosynchronous orbit at the equator, the EIRP is always going to be less the farther north you go.

Telstar 5 EIRP

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Farmall MD

07-26-2007 14:37:50

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

Charlie, me and the wife have had Direct TV for about 4 years now. Only problem is it goes out during heavy storms. Which after asking around a couple years ago, there's nothing can be done about it, it's the nature of the beast.

Only thing I don't like is the price. Call me old fashioned I guess, but it's $51 for the lowest basic package. Doug N

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cj3b_jeep

07-26-2007 14:25:06

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

We have dish network, we have real line of sight issues because of trees and such. I had to mount it on a 10' pole in my side yard. I'm not thrilled with the whole thing, but cable is a real issue when you live 1/4 mile off the road. We'd like to have it on three televisions, but the added cost of another is quite a bit.

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big fred

07-26-2007 13:46:09

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I've been a DirecTV customer for about 10 years. I don't know if they have good customer service since I've never had occasion to use it. I considered switching to DISH once, but there's no place within 80 ft of my house that I can see their satellite, because of the trees. There's a little notch between two tall trees where I can see the DirecTV satellite, only about 60 ft from the house. Either one will have outages due to heavy rain or snow, that's just the nature of satellite TV, the EIRP (signal power) is so low there's nothing you can do about it.

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old

07-26-2007 13:34:08

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I had dish networks a few years back and they got real bad about chargeing me for hidden fees so I droped them and got direct TV and haven't had any problems with them

Hobby farm

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neblinc

07-26-2007 13:08:19

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I think the programming guide on DishTV is much better and easier to navigate than Direct TV. Had my dish keep losing it's signal and DishTV waived the service fee to send someone to fix it.

So If you have been a long time customer I think they will do whatever it takes to keep you as a customer.

Randy

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Sunspot

07-26-2007 12:40:32

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

I use Dish because of the better Hi-Def programming. I�ve also had good tech support when needed.
I did all my installation myself so I know it�s done right. If your Dish goes out when it clouds, you might have needed a better dish alignment. Did you ever check your signal strength?

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07-26-2007 12:12:22

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

Had Dish network, went to Direct TV. Like it better for quality and such, but their tech support is poor. I had one of the receivers quit Sunday, I called their tech support, wanted me to do what I had already done to try to reset it, did not work, they were going to start a service call, but did not know when they could get there. Told them to send me a new box, now this is a 6 month old box, said they would for $69.95, lost my cool, she said it only has a 90 day warranty, in frustration, I asked this tech if they had a reset button on box, she said, yes, it is by the smart card on the front, I punched the reset button, and it took care of the problem, I asked why she did not tell me about this earlier, and was told she was going by the protocol and it did not tell her to tell me to push the reset button as a last resort. so, IMHO, Direct TV is better than Dish, but their tech support is fair at best. I had Dish for over 10 years, and they do not keep your equipment up to date with out paying a bunch of money.

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farmall don

07-26-2007 11:55:21

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to charles cook, 07-26-2007 11:39:16

Ive had the dish and switch recently for the same reason. The dish started going out daily for hours at a time, and the dish wanted to charge me per hour to fix it. So I got Direct TV for free set up. It only goes out during storms (as the dish use to do).
The installer of the direct TV dish (on the roof) said the superdish (from dish) was malfunctioning.
Dish has been trying to get me back, but I told them I dont feel I should pay for their malfunctioning equipment and they only agreed to fix it after I signed with direct TV.

Since I do like the dish better than direct TV, I will have to wait unit the contract is up.

How about that of OT

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steveormary

07-28-2007 18:03:03

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to farmall don, 07-26-2007 11:55:21

We have had dish 500 for several years. The biggest problem was tree branches growing out and interupting the signal.

We were on a land line for internet. It was slow and it was not reliable. No chance for an up grade there and cable is not out this far. So we had another dish set for internet. Seems to be working ok so far.

Dont really care for the dishmail homepage or for Internet Explorer homepage.

steveormary

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cmbb

07-30-2007 18:14:49

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to steveormary, 07-28-2007 18:03:03

Gentlemen; What does it cost for Dish internet?

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[email protected]

08-03-2007 18:42:52

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to cmbb, 07-30-2007 18:14:49

Dish Internet is done with WildBlue. Cost of the equipment lease fee through Dish is 199.99. Then entry level reoccuring monthly starts at 49.99. The neat thing is that until August 15th, Dish gives you a rebate of a hundred bucks. See your local Dish retailer for brochures.

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steveormary

07-30-2007 20:08:25

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Re: dish versus direct TV maybe way off topic in reply to cmbb, 07-30-2007 18:14:49

It costs us $41.99 for dish 500. They took away RFD tv and I havent looked into what it woulld take to get it back. Broandband will cost $49.99 after the dust is settled.
OK?

steveormary

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