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Digging an underground fence trench w/loader?

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BL2

07-23-2007 11:21:02




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I'm looking for ideas on how to dig a trench for an underground dog fence. I've got to bury 2000ft of wire. I've got a skid loader and was trying to come up with some sort of cutting tooth that I could bolt to the bucket, push into the lawn and drag it backwards creating a small trench. I'm not sure if it will work as good as it should in my head!

Any other ideas or ways that you've seen it done? I've also got a tractor w/blade that could work too.

I'd like to use machinery because it will be a lot less time consuming!

Thanks

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JT

07-26-2007 12:43:25




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
local rental place has one, I think it is like $45.00 for 4 hours, a neighbor used one and buried about 1500ft of invisible fence in a little over 2 hours. We were trying to figure out how to build one, when we found this out, not worth the time to make it when this is available this cheap.



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caterpillar guy

07-26-2007 10:43:11




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
Why couldn't you use a plow coulter with a 1/2in pipe would slide right along if the pipe where flatened alittle the coulter could be set for depth down to the bearing no stomping just run the front tire over after done closedno muss or fuss.



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Loren P

07-25-2007 09:42:11




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I used our pressure washer with a zero degree tip to cut the trench across our gravel driveways. Works very well, and fast, just gets a little messy. I used an old garden hose to protect the wire in the gravel. If your running the wire under sod, it's easiest to use a square shovel to cut in at an angle to lift the sod, then tuck the wire under it and step it back down.



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Scottnj

07-24-2007 18:48:30




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I just cut a mower blade off a 3 point bale spear that a buddy used to bury his dog fence wire. Worked OK for him.



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fort67

07-24-2007 16:32:55




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I used a subsoiler with a bracket to hold the wire and run it with a tractor. 1500' in no time.



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Gerald J.

07-24-2007 14:23:30




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
You could mount a backwards curved ammonia knife on the bottom of the bucket. Feed the wire through the ammonia tube. You might want to smooth up the ends of that tube first so it doesn't take the insulation off the wire.

Try looking at Heartland Agri Supply for such knives.

Gerald J.



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Mike M

07-24-2007 09:39:07




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
One more thing. You are likely to need to splice it so be sure to solder it and use heat shrink.



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JMS/MN

07-24-2007 09:05:24




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I loosely mounted a chisel plow shank on the bucket of a skidloader to trench for a gas line. Used the hole that I have centered in the cutting edge, normally used for hitching and backing wagons. Just make sure you move only backwards. Any forward motion and the shank may break. Loose mounting lets the shank self-center.



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Eddie in MI

07-23-2007 20:04:23




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
Since you're only burying the wire an inch or two... I just used a gas powered edger to cut the groove and a paint stick to stuff the wire....



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NC Wayne

07-23-2007 19:29:15




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
Your idea ought to work as long as you've got the room to maneuver the machine around, the ground isn't too hard, and you aren't planning to go too deep. If the ground is hard and your wanting more than an inch or two you'll probably be spinning your wheels, literally. I can tell you that from experience. I just got done putting in nearly 1500 feet over the weekend and have about 500 feet left to go. I've got ready access to several Ditch Witch 255SX vibratory cable plows (about 1500 lb machines), like they use pulling in your home cable but, I tried with one of them and it didn't work. The best I could manage was to bury the cable anywhere from less than an inch to two inches. Between the dry hard ground and the rocks I too was just spinning my wheels. Wound up using a 410 DitchWitch with a trencher to bury mine. The system I've got is made by Petsafe and according t customer service can be buried up to 48". Because of where I was running mine and having earthmoving equipment and 4 wheelers traveling the same areas I wanted mine at least 12 inches deep to keep it safe. It took me about 10 hours total to dig the trench lay the wire and then cover the trench using our 440 Deere dozer. Now I've just got to figure out how to run the line across the front since everything across there is so dense on the lower part of the property that it's nearly impossible to walk through it much less get a machine through it. I don't need it buried that deep across the front so personally I think the edger idea sounds pretty good. if your not worried about the depth that wouldn't be a bad way to do it. Just make sure you've got a thin stick to use to poke the wire down in the hole. From experience all I can say is good luck, you've got a job ahead of you any way you look at it.

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Kevin Matheson

07-23-2007 13:34:11




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I also put in about 2000 ft. of wire about 3 years ago, I welded togather a single spike from a coltivator to go on the three point of my tractor. I also added a pipe to it so I could feed the wire in at the same time. I put a platform on the back of that so I could sit on it for weight and watch the wire. The only time I had to stop was to change spools. Only took a couple of hours. This thing worked great. Good luck. Its nice to give the dogs room to run and not have to worry about them.

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Richard H.

07-23-2007 16:02:06




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to Kevin Matheson, 07-23-2007 13:34:11  
Same here , I used my grader box with one scarifier all the way down with a piece of half inch conduit clamped to it and it would have gone quicker if the wire spools were larger.



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jhill52

07-23-2007 12:15:23




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
My brother used a small moldboard plow mounted on his garden tractor. Plowed a furrow, put the wire in and then flipped the sod back over into place.



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Mike M

07-23-2007 11:54:34




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
Our local rental yard has a machine made just for this stuff. I called about it when I did mine,but it was in the spring and he said it didn't work as good when it was wet. I ended up using a Mantis tiller with the edger blade and cut a groove then stuffed the wire in with a paint stick and stomped it shut. This did take awhile. I have put several electric wires in with a subsoiler or one tooth on a box blade and then fasten conduit with a 90 bent on the end and use a funnel and feed the wire in as you go. Works well but this is deeper than dog wire should be. I wish I'd had a coulter fastened to cut the sod nicer.

Maybe you could fab something up like a no till corn planter ?

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ksampson

07-23-2007 11:53:12




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 Re: Digging an underground fence trench w/loader? in reply to BL2, 07-23-2007 11:21:02  
I used a sawzall and a paint stir stick to put my fence in.



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