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IA Roy

07-20-2007 17:14:13




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I am aquainted with a company that does concrete floor grinding. They start with a rough floor as in an old factory and grind and polish until it is very smooth. The job manager was wondering if there was anything that this powder could be used for instead of landfilling it. It is about the color and consistency of portland cement. If you take a half inch off of several thousand sqsuare foot of floor, it makes quite a bit of powder.

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davpal

07-23-2007 22:28:30




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
They were doing that floor grinding tonight in the auto parts plant I work for in Michigan. I was talking to them for a while about it. The grinding machine had a 30 hp electric motor on it and a rack of weights that looked like they belonged on the front of a tractor. The grinding machine was hooked to a big shop vac that they pulled around behind it. Then another guy followed them with a polisher with a 13 hp honda gas propane engine that buffed the surface and made it shine. They really only take very little off the top, I doubt it is even 1/64 of an inch. It really only cleans and flattens it. I would not want any of the concrete dust for anything on my driveway. It would no doubt be contaminated with 50 years of oil and heavy metals like chrome residue and moly and plasma powder dust. Not the healthiest stuff to put on your drive. I really like the way it looked when they were done. Much better than waxing the floor, which quickly becomes dingy and ugly. This process keeps it much easier to keep clean.

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Spook

07-21-2007 08:46:11




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
I was told that when they tear down some old auto plants, they pressure wash the floor first, with a really powerful steam unit? Otherwise it might be hazardous waste.



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Spook

07-21-2007 08:45:51




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
I was told that when they tear down some old auto plants, they pressure wash the floor first, with a really powerful steam unit? Otherwise it might be hazardous waste.



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Spook

07-21-2007 08:45:41




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
I was told that when they tear down some old auto plants, they pressure wash the floor first, with a really powerful steam unit? Otherwise it might be hazardous waste.



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Red Dave

07-21-2007 06:19:54




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
It will vary from state to state. You will have to check on your local rules for clean fill and concrete recyling/reuse.

Here in PA, crushed, recycled concrete can be used as clean fill as long as it has not been contaminated by some industrial activity or hazardous material. I think you could make the case that the powder was essentialy the same thing as crushed concrete, just finer particles. Again, these laws vary from state to state.

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Midwest redneck

07-21-2007 04:04:54




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
I would use it for a gravel drives, sort of a binding agent with the limestone.



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Billy NY

07-20-2007 18:56:16




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
It's an interesting thought, but I'd suspect you would want to have it analyzed to see what's in it, which will vary from every job it's taken from. Even without having an analysis of the typical material created, you may be on to something here.

When thinking about compaction of sub-base materials used under roads and paved areas, there is a need for percentages of certain seive size aggregates from large to small, like the fine dust, there is stone dust in NYS DOT approved sub-base, you'd have to look at the sieve analysis of this material. ASTM is the reference standard for these kinds of materials.

With large quantities you may find an informal market somewhere in the material recycling industry, beyond that, the material would be subject to ASTM criteria to be considered for practical use beyond informal kinds of uses like was mentioned, Lyme or mixing with other recycled materials that would benefit from fines like this concrete dust. If a recycled material produced from crushing concrete and similar materials does not have enough fines, it won't compact well, a must have in the mix to be a well compacting material, and that would be a good place to market it. If there is consistent large quantities, you should definitely explore the possibilities, it's a byproduct and anytime you can market a byproduct in a business such as what you describe it should be a good thing.

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MarkB_MI

07-20-2007 17:59:36




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
When I have crushed concrete delivered to my driveway, the driver will usually comment that the "fines" (dust) are needed so that the concrete will pack down. If there's a company nearby that recycles concrete, maybe they'll take his dust.



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mjbrown

07-20-2007 17:30:29




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
A thought. How much oil residue is in it? A lot of shop floors would have some.



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mjbrown

07-20-2007 17:28:44




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 Re: OT Concrete powder in reply to IA Roy, 07-20-2007 17:14:13  
Check with your county soils people. I got to believe it has value as lime. When I spill acid on concrete it fizzes.



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