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Getting the most from my air compressor

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Chris

06-05-2001 16:15:08




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I would like to get some opinions on how to get the most from my air compressor. I have a Campbell Hausfeld 5HP (110 volt) 20 gal. that delivers 8.2 and 6.5 cfm at 40 and 90 psi. (All info subject to manufacture�s I'm sure somewhat exaggerated claims on the label on the unit.) It starts pumping at 90psi and turns off at 125. I have 120 foot of 3/8 inch air hose attached to it. I use the last 60 foot the most leaving the first coiled on the handle but I need over 100 at times�especially for painting. I am using inexpensive tools (3/8 inch ratchet, � inch impact wrench and a general purpose spray gun (Campbell Hausfeld DH650001AV)). The compressor has a regulator right after the pressure switch and to that I have attached a small moisture filter (claimed good for up to 25 cfm at 90 psi) then the 120 feet of air hose. I�m using 3/8 inside diameter fittings but the hose ends are � inch inside diameter (all � pipe thread. Getting to my questions, my air tools say they should have max 90 psi and the spray gun 70. I know if I set the regulator at any of these pressures and operate the tool the pressure the regulator shows in the line drops 20 psi or more from the setting. I also assume the pressure is higher at the regulator than at the other end of the 120 foot hose. I know my impact wrench doesn�t do diddly if I don�t leave the regulator fully open. Should I bother to reduce the pressure? And if so how do I set the pressure--while the tool is not in use or should I operate it and then adjust the pressure while it is running? What do I do about the wide range of tank pressure which will cause the regulated pressure to drift some even when using the second technique for setting the pressure? Thanks!

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John in MA

06-08-2001 09:14:22




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
One thing to remember is that you don't actually have a 5HP comrpressor. About 3 HP is all you can run on a 20 amp 120 service. Yours is probably in the 1.5-2.5 range. Roughly 4 CFM can be made with one horsepower.

That said, I regularly use a homemade 1/2HP compressor for portable work. The little motor runs a big pump, so the thing is belted down to about 400 RPM. Slow, but steady. Any compressor will make 100 CFM unit the tank runs out. The CFM ratings you see are just what the pump can make. You can run a jackhammer for a couple seconds on a 20 gallon tank.

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ltf in nc

06-07-2001 16:22:26




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
Chris,
Any decent air compressor can make 4 cfm at 90 psi per horsepower. Do a little math and you will determine what you really have. Good luck regardless.



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John

06-07-2001 04:01:34




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
You are pushing it a little. You should have more like a 7.5 hp. 220 v. The 5 hp. is more for once in awhile, a big toy. You should shorten up the air hose if you can, or go bigger. By the way I work there at Campbell Hausfeld!



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Chris

06-07-2001 10:13:18




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 Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to John, 06-07-2001 04:01:34  
So you're saying that the professional they write in big letters on the side of the tank means toy to Campbell Hausfeld?!

Well thankfully I figured that was all marketing hype. Yes to a tractor shop I'm sure mine is a big toy, but that is all I need. Still it doesn't hurt to get the most out of it I can hense my question. It did a fine job of running my spray gun (I'm not in the auto painting business) it does a good job at full pressure running my air tools w/the 120 feet of hose on it (I just wondered since they all say to use 90psi max). I average 1 use a week to remove something. It is more important to me that I can put it in the back of my truck and haul it somewhere else and plug it in to about any electrical outlet and use it than it is that it will power a professional sandblaster or remove lug nuts from a articulated loader. Just think of what I'd hear if I got one of those oilless 2hp 10 gallon tank units--yet I'm sure some folks do quite well with them too.

Don't worry you haven't offended me and I'm not mad. I just couldn't pass up that you work for Campbell Hausfeld and say it it a big toy. Guess you aren't in marketing there. Or maybe you are and are selling upgrades?! Hu?

Thanks to everyone else for their advice too--I do appreciate it!

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John

06-19-2001 19:19:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-07-2001 10:13:18  
I to have a 5 hp. All I do with mine is just play around with air tools and blow up a tire once in a while. If I was going to work my air comp day in and day out I would have at least a 7.5 hp to put in a nut shell.



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fzbcheve

06-06-2001 18:18:47




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
You can't run air tools through a regulator because the orifice is to small. You should run directely from the tank. That way you have full volume and pressure.



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randy

06-06-2001 16:54:58




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
chris go ahead and use that extra 60 ft of air hose and put the moisture separator on the end of the first 60 ft of hose ( for painting ) that way your air will have some time to cool before reaching your seperator, making it more efficient. regulate your pressure as low as needed for spraying to cut down on overspray. remove your seperator for air tools for you dont need it and run as high a pressure as you can get, unless you don't want to over torque that nut on a stud etc. good luck

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Bruce Christian

06-06-2001 16:19:46




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
Well i agree you do not have to spray at 90psi.

1. I would suggest spraying at 40psi. i have the "cheap campbell gun". It is a Great starter gun and it works fine at this pressure.

2. Try adjusting your paint/reducer amounts. The thinner it is, the better it will spray. I have painted the hood on my Cub and have spilt gas on it and vigorously rubbed the gas off, no probs with the paint fading or loosing its luster.

3. You also have a very low CFM air compressor. I think that most tools run 9cfm at 90psi to be efficient.

4.You got to have the cfm and volume correct on your system.

5. I would, not so lightly, suggest that you try a bigger compressor. I run a Puma, three piston, 23cfm, $850 delivered, and siphon blast 90psi for about 2 hours. The motor gets a bit hot, and i give it about a 20minute break and go again.

Good luck with it.

5. Worse comes to worse, run a extension cord to your work and shorten the hose.
bruce

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Frank

06-07-2001 18:10:27




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 Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Bruce Christian, 06-06-2001 16:19:46  
Air compressor manufacturers recommend never using extension cords. The voltage drops on a long cord. This causes problems with the motors, and can also cause the pressure switch to stick.



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John in MA

06-08-2001 09:00:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Frank, 06-07-2001 18:10:27  
It depends on the cord. Manufacturers don't want you to use extension cords because most people only have 16 gauge. I made a 25', 8 gauge for myself and it works fine with a small compressor.



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Frank

06-08-2001 17:14:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to John in MA, 06-08-2001 09:00:27  
That will work ok. Unfortunately most folks will try to run 100 ft of the cheapest cord they can find, then cuss the compressor (And the dealer that sold it) when it doesn't live up to their expectations.



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Tom R

06-06-2001 03:14:01




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
Chris:
If you can't permanently pipe in your compressor with larger pipe here is an idea that may work for you.

I have rigged one of my Compressors with a tee and 3 quick connects at the tank, and have made up another Tee type of fitting that has 2 male quick connects going into a filter/ regulator. Whenever I need to get a serious volume of air using a long hose I turn up the regulator on the tank to maximum and use two 3/8 hoses to feed my remote filter/regulator. From the remote I then use one shorter hose to the tool (or another tee type adapters for up to 3 individual hoses if we are using multiple nail guns).

Hope this helps Tom R

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Joseph

08-26-2003 06:46:38




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 Re: Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Tom R, 06-06-2001 03:14:01  

Disable the safety catch and go squirel hunting.

You can use a CO2 bottle (quick connect valves) from a paintball store on your nail gun for greater mobility, and all around more dangerous nail gun fun.



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bill b va

06-05-2001 19:50:28




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  

i believe i would get rid of about 100 feet of that hose and install pipe with outlets or move the compressor as needed .if not on wheels put on wheels... bill b va



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Johnny

06-05-2001 18:24:32




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
Chris, I use the regulator only with my spray gun, of which doesn't need 70-100 pounds of air, mine works best at the 30-35 psi setting. If yours needs 100 pounds of air something is wrong or you are painting too thick of paint(these guns are for automotive/tractor paint, I don't think they are intended for latex & such). Everything else I use gets the full 90-125 psi. Adjust the regulator a little at a time while using the tool, run as much hose as you need then put in the regulator then run another 15 to 20 feet of hose to your spray gun. Johnny

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Franz

06-05-2001 18:23:17




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
To make a long story short, you are trying to ignore fluid resistance in the air hose.
Two ways around it, 1, bigger diameter hose, much bigger. If you replace the first 100 feet with 1" hose, you may have a shot at running the impact gun, and rest of the tools. 2, you can put a small tank, like a 20# propane tank, at the end of your 100+ feet of hose, and run the tool off the tank. This will give youhigher pressure, at limited volume, and better tool performance, for a limited time. It will also take time to refill the small tank to line pressure, so you can use the tool again.
With your present setup, I'd estimate with the regulator set at 90#, you'd be lucky to have 60# at the gun.

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Mark H, Ont

06-05-2001 17:27:13




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 Re: Getting the most from my air compressor in reply to Chris, 06-05-2001 16:15:08  
What I have done in the past is to locate a small regulator and gauge, and I put these at the users end of the hose, especially when spraying. That way it's right there for easy adjustment. If you use a quick connect with it, you can easily remove it when you want full pressure for the impact gun. Make sure that you have a quick connect or on/off valve at the tank though, because if a hose breaks, it's at full pressure. Don't even try to catch it, just turn the valve off.

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