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Bill

06-04-2001 17:54:48




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When repairing castings, such as engine blocks or castings that take stress, what would determine between brazing or arc welding. I have been told that a mallable casting could be arc welded like regular steel.




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Steve U.S. Alloys

06-05-2001 06:25:22




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 Re: Repair castings in reply to Bill, 06-04-2001 17:54:48  
One of the first things I do Bill, is determine what the casting is. You can look at the grain structure or do a spark test on the part to determine if it is cast iron or cast steel. Cast steel would be welded with a different filler metal and procedure than cast iron. A spark test will also tell you if the cast iron is ductile or not. The longer/brighter the sparks, the softer the material. Hard Durite castings exhibit very short, dull red sparks, for example.

All cast irons start out as carbon steel. Carbon is added during the manufacturing process and generally ends up in the range of 3% to 4%. Mild steel is around .03% C for instance. Steel men refer to .03% as 3 point steel.

When determining what process and filler metal to use, there are a few key considerations. Keep in mind that the rate of cooling when manufacturing cast iron is a large part of what determines the type of cast iron you will create. Slow cooling allows the graphites to form in layers in ductile iron. When cooled rapidly, the carbon is not allowed to precipitate into free grahites and a hard brittle grain structure results. A piece of malleable iron is transformed into white cast iron, sometimes referred to as "chilled" cast iron, when allowed to cool rapidly from critical temp.

Keeping this in mind, think about the mass of the part. Is it practical to heat the entire part? If not, you will only create a large localized area of hot metal by brazing. The result will be quenching of the HAZ ( heat affected zone) by the cold mass. This will change the grain structure and most likely lead to stress cracking. On parts too large to pre-heat and maintain proper temps, the only other option is to cold weld the part. This is done with an arc welding process. An arc welding process allows you to employ techniques to limit heat input to the base material. Techniques to relieve residual stress in the casting are used in conjunction.

There is not enough room here to explore all of the known techniques or advanatges of the different processes and filler metals. There really is no shotgun approach. We handle each case on an individual basis when making recommendations or writing procedures. We currently have over 7 different types of filler materials ( and 4 different processes) for cast iron repair and joining cast iron to itself or to unlike materials.
HTH,
Steve

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Fred OH

06-05-2001 04:29:22




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 Re: Repair castings in reply to Bill, 06-04-2001 17:54:48  
Malleable iron reverts back to castiron when it is arc welded, defeating the purpose of heat treating it for about a week. Yes, leaving it in an oven at a certain temperature for about a week gives it a certain amount of malleability. Cast iron has none, will not bend at all before it breaks.
Most of the time, what controls whether arc or torch is used is what the heat will effect inside the casting. If its close to a bearing or seal, you can't use the torch. It's always a judgement call. L8R----Fred OH

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Mark Kw

06-04-2001 18:20:35




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 Re: Repair castings in reply to Bill, 06-04-2001 17:54:48  
There are dozens of rods and wires to choose from for welding cast iron and steel depending upon what you are doing to what type of cast alloy.

Steve @ US alloys will more than likely be the best one to tell you what specific product is best for what.

I can say that I have done brazed, SMAW and GMAW different types of cast iron for different applications and there are rarely two that ever weld the same way.

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Steve U.S. Alloys

06-05-2001 06:37:08




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 Re: Re: Repair castings in reply to Mark Kw, 06-04-2001 18:20:35  
Got to agree with you Mark. It does sometimes seem that no two cast irons weld the same.

I've had two challenges in the past two weeks. Both involved joining cast parts to carbon steel parts. One is for GM and the other for a piping distribution manufacturer. Both are production type applications where cost and time are big factors.

We also have a wire we now use to spray metal on castings to restore lost dimension. You can build-up cast iron block decks, bearing caps, flywheels, etc. Part temps are held well below 400�F. The times, they are a changin'!

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Fred Martin

06-11-2001 19:05:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Repair castings in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 06-05-2001 06:37:08  
I built up a small block chevy aluminum flywheel with a sprayed wire setup for an Oklahoma friend who ran it in a stock car back in 1965 or 66 down in Virginia. He ran it a while and I asked him how it was doing and he said he missed a gear last night and the tachometer hit 7000 and the coating didn't come off. I still got the spray outfit out in the shop but haven't used it for a good while. Maybe it was so someone could re-invent it today. (grin)
Come to think of it, I took a roll of stainless steel (1/8") that I used to spray with and made the best clothesline around. It's in the back yard and dated 1973. L8R----Fred OH

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Steve U.S. Alloys

06-24-2001 15:19:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Repair castings in reply to Fred Martin, 06-11-2001 19:05:40  
That was an old gas gun set-up. They are still widely in use today but the coatings do not approach the bond strength of the twin wire arc machine. Deposition rates of the arc spray process are the highest to date. Even higher than the plasma spray system. Arc also operates for about .75 per hour.

Two other advantages of arc over gas appliances is the fact that the arc machine sprays inherently colder due to the lack of that big flame out front for one. ( I can spray metal on my hand or business card with it.) Secondly, the arc process is capable of creating psuedo alloys in the arc. You can combine any two wires and arc them together to achieve desired properties or even colors. Sculptors combine #2 stainless and copper for a color they call dusty rose.

Draw backs are that the arc gun requires copious quantities of air is very loud and smokey. Nothings perfect I guess.

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Mark Kw

06-05-2001 07:54:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Repair castings in reply to Steve U.S. Alloys, 06-05-2001 06:37:08  
Steve, You gotta fill me in that spray build. Sounds like that is something that I need to get into before anyone else has the chance to....oh, never mind, got lots of time, things here never change quickly. I still get these guys that tell me "there's no way you can stick weld cast iron and make it as good as with a torch weld". Ok...so what have I been doing wrong since mine seem to be holding much longer and stronger than yours?

I'll be in touch via phone one of these days as soon as I get caught up a bit on the outstanding projects.

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