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Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner

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Bob - MI

07-04-2007 10:01:31




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Like all guys, I suspected the fix to my daughter's '96 taurus a/c issues would be an easy seal replacement. Buy some cool gauges and a vacuum pump and I could have her back on-line for under $100.0 total.

I have found the clutch area on the compressor to be all wet and it looks like it's throwing oil around. I now realize that the compressor is leaking.

Shopping on-line I have found most parts houses require at least the reciever/dryer to be replaced and some including the condenser as well to ge any warranty on the compressor. With all of these I am now almost at $500.00 for a car that I won't keep that long (1~2yrs.)

I am wondering about my best options here. Some demand the condenser be replaced but others sell flushing solvent for the condensor yet demand that the reciever be swapped. Would a salvage yard compressor make any sense at all????

Any suggestions would be welcomed at this point. And yes, I have thought about not repairing it at all.

Thanks in advance!!

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trucker40

07-05-2007 20:47:12




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
As far as flushing the condensor is concerned,get a bottle of the right refrigerant oil,put it in the line on one side,you know quite a bit take other line off and blow it through there with compressed air.Just enough compressed air to blow the oil out the other line.Catch it in a clean pan,if pieces dont come out,I would guess its allright,If you cant blow through it,its probobly full of metal or something could be wrong with a line.If that checks out,I would put R134 in with a compressor from a salvage yard maybe if it was cheap,but I Might ask somebody about putting a seal in mine,or search around for a new one.Since its a Taurus maybe if you are lucky enough to have one of the old kinds,I think its called a York,you can probobly find one of those around 100 dollars,maybe less.I dont know what a drier would cost for it,but its a good idea to change it if its reasonably priced because if you break open the system,they claim you should change it,If the car is only a year or 2 from the junkyard,I might not.Still there is a chance that some junk may be in there and with what freon costs it might save you having to buy that 2 times.If you did all that its probobly going to cost 2 or 300 dollars,you still dont know if your 3way valve is allright or not,which may be the cause of the seal leaking if the pump is hammering away at a valve that wont open.If I was going to the junkyard for my parts I would get that one too.Most of my experience with an air conditioner is on big rigs,not even sure where a 3way valve is on a car,but it has to be in there with the heater core.Ive owned 3 Kenworths and had to replace the 3way valve on all of em.Dont seem to last but a couple of years but thats 300000 miles on a truck.If you do get the stuff at a junkyard look it over good for oil on it and dirt stuck to it.That doesnt mean its leaking for sure,but it probobly is. I sure think I would ask somebody if its possible to put that seal in myself,and what I need to do,and if I could borrow a special tool if I needed it to do that,or maybe see if I could find a car with all that stuff at a junkyard,but before I bought it,try putting some sealer in mine.If it works,could save you a lot.

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Maark

07-04-2007 18:15:32




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
Find a used compressor and put a new drier on it.Looks like in Iowa a used compressor from a salvage yard are $40.00 to $125.00 Recharge and go. Try www.car-part.com



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CRUSADER

07-04-2007 12:01:05




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
It's been many years since I did A/C work, but it was always standard practice to replace the reciever dryer if/when replacing the compressor. This is/was cheap insurance to ensure contaminants were removed from the system. Then check it, hook up vacuum pump and check for leaks then charge the system. This was with the R12 systems. Due to the fact that I don't have the need and requirement for the equipment I no longer work with A/C systems becuase of the expense of handling R12. Good luck with your task.

Jim

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azharry

07-04-2007 11:54:48




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
The decision to flush the condenser should be based on the amount of debris on the orifice tube. If the tube is clean, you can probably get by without flushing the condenser. The accumulator assembly and compressor can be challenging to remove and replace depending on which engine the car has. AC work isn't really a do it yourself option anymore. You need to evacuate the existing refrigerant and recycle it not just vent it into the atmosphere. At the minimum you would need to replace the compressor, orifice tube, all o-rings on the connections opened, pag oil, and the drier assembly. Make sure you have the correct disconnect tools for the springlock connections. Some compressor warranties don't apply to DIY installations. It may be time to look at the total condition of the vehicle and decide whether or not it's worth pumpng money into and keeping. In the long haul, it may be cheaper and less stressful to pay a professional tech to repair the AC on the car. There are very few AC jobs that can be done for less than a $100.

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davpal

07-04-2007 11:35:23




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
Just got done changing the pump on my Navigator and I got a new Visteon at Rock auto.com for about $235 dollars delivered. The price ranged from $150 for a four seasons brand to over $335 if I wanted a Delco. I just went with the same junk it had on it before! It was a dirty job getting it off from under the truck. Mine was leaking at the seam on the compressor. If the compressor doesn't blow up you dont need to change all those other items because no junk went through the system. It was just leaking at the seals. Like I would change $700 dollars worth of other items to warrant a $235 dollar part. The way everything is packaged and designed on this Navigator the next person to do anything with this air conditioner on it will be the car crusher, not me!

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Bob

07-04-2007 11:34:53




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
Since the compressor simply has a seal leak, and (HOPEFULLY) has NOT "grenaded" inside, there should NOT be a problem with metal in the condensor. (Take a look in the remaining oil that drains out of the old compressor for filings, though.)

You can get a compressor and accumulator (dryer) for about $240.00 at RockAuto.

A "recycled" compressor if cheap enough, MAY be a good deal, too. Ideal unit would be still on the car, clean, and still have a "charge" in the system, insuring the oil inside hasn't become contaminated with moisture while it's been sitting on the shelf at the boneyard.

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Howard H.

07-04-2007 10:58:40




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  

I feel for you. I've just gone through the same thing on my 1996 Suburban. I was looking through Ebay ads and one caught my attention, because the guy rebuilds them himself and had several comments that could only come from REALLY knowing the business (as opposed to the "container unloaders/resellers" that sell just on lowest price).

Anyway, he gave me great advice and a good price on a good compressor (not as cheap as some on ebay - but $120 cheaper than Autozone). Call Tammy at Hancock Ind, Abilene, 325-692-9290.

My only connection to them is he's a fellow Texan! ha...

I'm no expert, but apparently when the compressor fails, it often contaminates the whole refrigerant circuit (so you have to really clean it good). Also, the drier and orifice tube also need to be replaced most of the time. Also, my new compressor came preloaded with the proper amount of oil for the system.

In other words, there is more to it than just slapping a used compressor on there and refilling with refrigerant!

Howard

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Ralph - Ohio

07-04-2007 10:35:22




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Bob - MI, 07-04-2007 10:01:31  
If I was not keeping the car for a long time I'd certainly try a junk yard compressor. It would probably be guaranteed to work or bring it back for another one. All you have to lose is the time & price of the freon. Just be glad it's not an older R12 system!



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Moe Libninum

07-05-2007 12:37:27




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 Re: Saga of daughter's Taurus air conditioner in reply to Ralph - Ohio, 07-04-2007 10:35:22  
Did a heater core on Taurus once.

It was a "REAL" two day job to get toit, and put it all back together.

Hope it's not the evaporator as that's right next to heater core.



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