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Stumpalump

06-28-2007 18:21:08




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I'm using up some old shingles and they have some glue or tar stuff in the middle of the top side. On the bottom it has a cellophane strip covering a rubber strip or somthing. Is that cellophane supposed to be peeled off to expose the rubber under it or is the cellophane just there to stop the shingles from sticking while packaged? It's hard to peel off unless it's in direct sun for a while because the shingles were made in 2002. They are Dade county Alaska approved if that means anything. Thanks.

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RickL

06-30-2007 06:03:08




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
so did you take them off or leave. Never did and been shingling for quite some time



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flying belgian

06-29-2007 18:18:31




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Forget about the shingles and put tin on. Got some tin sheds been standing for 70 years and the tin on roof is just as good as day it was put up.



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Stumpalump

06-29-2007 19:17:13




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to flying belgian, 06-29-2007 18:18:31  
Too late. I finished an hour ago. Got the shingles for free and they matched the ones on the shop anyway. Finest roofing known to man is free roofing! Thanks for everbodys help or I'd be up there again tommorow.



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David Snipes

06-29-2007 10:50:02




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
My dad had shingles; it was pretty painfull.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-29-2007 08:45:02




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Hi Stumpalump,

That question inspired an unexpectedly lively debate, didn't it? As an aside I'd like to ask if anyone can think of a more useless warranty than the one on asphalt roofing shingles. I think the shingles would have to fail during the actual installation for the manufacturer to even bother to respond.

Stan



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MarkB_MI

06-29-2007 02:58:31




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
As NE IA Dave says, leave the strip on. All you'll accomplish by tearing it off is to make a gawdawful mess with strips of plastic blowing all over the yard. The strip is there only to keep the shingles from sticking together in the bundle.

Every few bundles you'll come across a shingle that wasn't stacked exactly on top of the one beneath it. The two shingles will be stuck together so tight you may have to throw them out or use them for short pieces.

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Sid

06-28-2007 23:31:12




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
As NE IA Dave has mentioned they do not need to come off. In my younger days I did roofing as well as other carpenter work. And My experience is pretty much as Dave said. That plastic strip, which used to be paper years ago, is only there to keep them from sticking together in the package. No they do not melt in the hot sun after the roof is put on. When shingles are laid properly, the bottom of the tabs are what comes in contact with the sealer midway of the shingle below it. This is what seals the shingles so the wind doesn't get under the tab and blow the shingle off. If you just think about it for a minute and see how they lay down there will be no question about the fact they do not need to come off. Take them off if you want to but you will accomplish nothing by doing so. By the same token you won't hurt anything either. So whatever floats you boat.

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Wild Bill

06-28-2007 22:16:43




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
I don't really care, don't want to stir up trouble over a piece of plastic on a shingle...

But all the shingles I have seen lately have "do not remove" printed on the cellophane plastic strip.



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NE IA Dave

06-28-2007 20:21:04




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
For crying out loud just lay the shingles and leave it on as it has nothing --absolutly nothing to do with sticking, other than for shipping. If it is older shingles the tar strip is on top of the shingle so look where the tape ends up--has nothing to do with sticking down.. However if it should accidently stick to the top of the tar strip--yes it can on a rare occasion--then it MUST be removed.. Some newer shingles has the tar strip on the bottom of the shingles--thus it allows for a little more crooked runs, Then of course it would have to be removed from the bottom, and not the top. The tar on the bottom has just been introduced in the last year or so in our area.

You did mention old shingles therefore a assumption is the tar strip is on top.

We shingled a church a number of years ago and some one came with the idea they had to be stripped off, one heck of a argument, I ended up being the tie breaker and after showing them Everyone agreed that it would be imposible for it to have any ill effect.

If you are not convinced call ANY shingle company or ANY lumber yard and they will put you straight.

Second have you EVER seen any shingling crew take them off or EVER seen instructions on the package saying to take them off.

Once in a blue moon a small chunk of the plastic will let loose in the wind and the other end may stick out the left or right side of the shingle, yea --- then tear it off. Another thing that does happen especialy if using old shingles or shingles that were stored in hot areas, is that part of the actual package -- especialy if wraped in paper will stick to the TOP of the tar strip--Again it HAS to come off.

If you hired a crew to tear them off I can't imagine the cost factor involved.

Once you get the package up on the roof drop the package over your knee or the peak of the roof (unless it is a cathederal ceiling--you will crack the plaster) to make the tar strips shift side ways to break them loose from each other, don't be gentle. I should mention to drop them face up so you do not scuff up the shingle in the package. If you use the LIFT OFF method you will many times tear the shingle, then it is pretty much shot or wasted.

Leave them as a solid chunk for handling them till on the roof as it makes it much simpler to handle.

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Stumpalump

06-28-2007 21:34:24




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to NE IA Dave, 06-28-2007 20:21:04  
Cool, I have a bunch that are like a brick and tore up if I tryed to peel them apart. I'll try the method you sugested. I spent all day on half a roof because I was fighting the shingles. I should be able to finish up tommorrow. Thanks to everybody!



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old

06-28-2007 21:37:56




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 21:34:24  
If thye where still under warrenty if you didn't remove that strip you would void the warrenty



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You sure

06-29-2007 06:11:32




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to old, 06-28-2007 21:37:56  
That must be why it says "Do Not Remove." If everyone voids their warranty the company saves money.



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mph

06-28-2007 19:42:37




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Did a lot when I was younger, never took it off and some jobs I've done are still holding over 20 years ago. But the stuff you buy today you will be lucky to get it to last 5 years.



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Thunderr

06-28-2007 19:16:39




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
dont peel it its a waste of your life. check the BP shingle website FAQs. they say no, and they make shingles!



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06-28-2007 19:15:43




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Leave the strip on.They will keep the bundle of shingles from sticking together but once they are nailed down the heat from the sun melts the plastic strip and allows the roofing shingle to stick down to the next one.



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NC Wayne

06-28-2007 19:06:48




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Never did shingles for a living but I've known a few guys that did and I've always done my own shingle work...and never had a leak if that counts for anything. So, to even out the count I have to go with old and say the strip is for shipping to keep the shingles from sticking together. If you don't take it off they won't stick properly to the next shingle in line like their supposed to do. If you don't remove the strip it's not necessarily gonna cause them to leak under normal conditions but if they're not all stuck together it makes it alot easier for a high wind to get under them and rip them off leaving you with a leak at the worst possible time.

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old

06-28-2007 18:50:14




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
Did shingles for a liveing years ago. Pull that strip off or they will not stick to the next ones very well.



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Arkandan

06-28-2007 18:35:06




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
You guessed it. Just there for shipping and storage (the cellophane strip).



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davejoe

06-28-2007 18:32:50




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to Stumpalump, 06-28-2007 18:21:08  
hi, leave the strip on, it will not affect anything. Dave



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Stumpalump

06-28-2007 18:56:41




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 Re: Shingle question. in reply to davejoe, 06-28-2007 18:32:50  
2 to 1 for leaving it on but old said he was a shingler for a living so that counts for two.



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