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Water problems

06-22-2007 13:17:15




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I drilled a new livestock well recently (6" casing). I plan to have this as a seperate well for the livestock (seperate from the house well). I was told that their is a long narrow pressure tank that can be put down in the well. This will save the trouble of having to dig another line to my pump house to put another pressure tank in there. I was also told that a different kind of pitless adapter would be needed. Someone also told me that this type of pressure tank is expensive and unreliable. Does anyone know anything about this type of tank setup?

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msb

06-22-2007 18:09:26




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Water problems, 06-22-2007 13:17:15  
There is what is called a donut tank. It is buried underground and goes down over the casing, but the new one that the guys are talking about is the way to go, if you can stand the extra cost.



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Allan In NE

06-22-2007 15:02:00




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Water problems, 06-22-2007 13:17:15  
They are called variable speed pumps and the long skinny part down in the well is the pump itself. The only tank they need is a little 1 gallon "buffer" tank.

Works good; Seems to me it was like $800. Yep, needs a different well head/pitless adaptor assembly.

Allan

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David - OR

06-22-2007 18:58:50




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Allan In NE, 06-22-2007 15:02:00  
Depending on what you want to accomplish and the nature of the usage of the well, you can roll your own solution and save money. You can use an ordinary submersible three-phase pump and a suitable VFD (variable frequency drive), like you might use on a 3-phase machine tool.

(You can get a surplus 3HP VFD for less than the cost of a Franklin 3HP single phase pump controller.) For stock watering, set the VFD up for (say)a 5 second frequency ramp and you don't really need a pressure tank. Just flip a switch when you want water, turn it off when you are done. The slow ramp rate eliminates the start-up current surge so the pump does not need to run as long.

For extra credit, you can use a PID feedback loop for constant pressure at variable water loads, but this may be overkill for stock watering.

I did this for my home water well, because I wanted a 3HP pump but did not want the three large pressure tanks needed to go with it. Instead I use one modest size pressure tank. It has worked fine for 3 years so far.

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Charles (in GA)

06-22-2007 13:41:05




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Water problems, 06-22-2007 13:17:15  
Never heard of such a thing for a drilled well. You would need a real long, real small one to fit inside the well casing with the pipe and such. I would think it to be impossible or nearly so.

On bored wells its not so uncommon to find tanks (and pumps) suspended inside the well, but a 6 inch drilled well? I doubt it.

Charles



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Jim in N M

06-22-2007 17:36:25




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Charles (in GA), 06-22-2007 13:41:05  
No Charles, Allan has it right, they are useing them here a lot now. A much better pump setup than the standard pump, If you demand more water you've got it,if you require less water the pump doesn't work as hard..... ....Jim in N M



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Charles (in Ga)

06-22-2007 19:42:55




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 Re: inside the well pressure tank in reply to Jim in N M, 06-22-2007 17:36:25  
He was talking pressure tank, you'all are talking variable speed pump, different animals, especially if he already has the pump installed.

I'm not crazy about being totally dependent on the pump, I'd rather have large tankage, that way you've got enough to flush the commode if you have a power outage, and wash your hands. With a variable speed, it sounds as if you are totally dependent on the pump and power at all times.

Charles

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