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Cleaning a stone wall

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Rod in Smiths F

06-19-2007 04:47:27




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The sandstone farmhouse we're restoring shares a wall with the brick monstrosity next door. This means we can have a wall of the living room of exposed stone if I can get it looking acceptable. Trouble is the interior course of stone was never intended to be seen, and it's pretty rough. A chimney has dripped creosote down the wall over the years, as well.

A good cleaning and some pointing would probably do the job, so I tried spraying a litre of 3% hydrogen peroxide on the stones under the chimney. It fizzed and smoothed the colour out but left things looking a dull brown.

I'm working above a still-unsanded hardwood floor, so I'd like to keep dripping to a minimum, but ventilation is good this time of year and it's time to try something more dramatic. Sandblast? Muriatic acid?

I'm all ears, but my compressor is a small 4 cfm model.

Thanks,

Rod

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

06-20-2007 04:51:47




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 How much compressor do I need? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-19-2007 04:47:27  
Thanks for the comments so far. I looked up hydroflouric acid and it looks way too dangerous to use on an inside wall. Unlimited water as a neutralizing agent all over my hardwood floor doesn't sound good either.

This leaves the sandblaster. A vacuum should be able to remove the residue from an unfinished hardwood floor.

I have 15 amp 220 service in the room now to run my shaper. If I went to Princess Auto to get equipment for the sandblasting project, what would I need to buy?

Thanks,

Rod

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Wardner

06-20-2007 23:49:21




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 Re: How much compressor do I need? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-20-2007 04:51:47  
You need to rent equipment or hire a professional. You will need something like a 25hp portable air compressor, a pressure pot (sandblaster), air fed helmet and pump, and high CFM fans to expell the dust. The fans will use all your 15 amps of 220v.

Old lime mortar creates an instant white-out when it is sandblasted. I know. I have done hundreds of thousands of sq ft of interior brick in old mill buildings. Rubble masonry present some challanges as you are likely to find voids in the mortar.

As a beginner, you will have difficulty doing a good job. Moreover, sandblasted masonry looks different from less destructive cleaning methods. You may not like the effect. It's a personal taste thing.

It is hard to comment on a job I haven't seen. I might advise a homeowner to try scrub brushes and muriatic acid. Use rain gear, face shields, rubber gloves, and forced ventilation. You could also use the hydroflouric acid in the same way. Be sure to dilute it to around 20% of full strength. Yes, it can cause lung damage and skin burns so you need to be very careful and follow mfgs directions. You might want to go to the SureClean website for more info on their various products. I don't know what their site looks like as I used to buy straight hydroflouric from a local marketing company.

On the whole, I think you should hire a professional with lots of experience. Not some wannabe contractor who just bought some equipment cheap at an auction.

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markiz41

06-20-2007 05:01:20




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 Re: How much compressor do I need? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-20-2007 04:51:47  
Don't even mess with an electric compressor for this size project. Rent one of those towable diesel jobs that puts out 135 cfm and a pressure pot blaster. You'll be done in no time.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON

06-20-2007 19:38:22




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 Supplies and safety equipment? in reply to markiz41, 06-20-2007 05:01:20  
Mark:

So to clean 250 square feet of wall what supplies would I need to go with a 135 cfm compressor? Could you describe the safety equipment I should get?

Thanks,

Rod



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Wardner

06-19-2007 20:59:48




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 Re: Cleaning a stone wall in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-19-2007 04:47:27  
Hydroflouric acid is the industry standard for cleaning the exterior surfaces of old buildings exposed to atmospheric pollution. It works on carboniferous deposits such as soot. It will restore blackened brick to its original color. It also completely removes rust from masonry walls near fire escapes.

Note that I wrote hydroflouric; not hydrocloric. It is not available at Home Depot. A brick dealer may have it in stock. If not, he can order it. There are several different brand names.

It is applied with spray or roller and removed with a pressure washer. The reaction is immediate. No need to wait like paint removers. If you have stubborn spots, it is quite possible to apply and remove 30 times a minute with a helper. I used to be a professional in the trade.

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dds-inc

06-19-2007 19:24:02




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 Re: Cleaning a stone wall in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-19-2007 04:47:27  
big frickin' pressure washer with some masonry cleaner.



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IH2444

06-19-2007 05:49:23




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 Re: Cleaning a stone wall in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, 06-19-2007 04:47:27  
Sand Blast, but you will need a bigger compressor.



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