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Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do?

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PaulW_NJ

06-12-2007 11:06:33




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I"m a relatively inexperienced purchaser on eBay. Last week I was high bidder on a power tool that was advertised as follows:

"Hi this is a Porter Cable Paint Remover. It appears to have no usage. My grandfather was a collector that bought many tools and never used them. I am helping my grandmaother sell them. New these go for $300.00. I am starting the bid at $100.00. Good Luck!"

I won for $164 . . the cheapest they sell is $229 on Amazon. It arrived a little over a week. I was a little annoyed that the guy never contacted me, even after I emailed him, to confirm it was shipped. Nevertheless, when it arrived, it was well packed, looked exactly as pictured on ebay, and did look like it had had little or no use. And it seems to run fine, at least by sound. However, I was surprised to find a bright orange sticker on the handle which read "Reconditioned Tool". I sent the seller another email asking about the label, but haven"t heard from him.

No point in sending it back, but I haven"t filled out the feedback message yet. What would you do?

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Tab

06-14-2007 05:34:49




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
I do alot on e-bay, and overall it has been great. Only downside about leaving neg. feedback is that, even though the other party MAY deserve it, and you don't, you will almost certainly be "tagged" with a retalliatory negative, if you leave one. This part of e-bay's feedback system really isn't fair.



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MarkB_MI

06-13-2007 19:19:27




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
eBay recently changed their feedback system. You give an overall rating (positive/neutral/negative), but you also give separate ratings for "Item as described", "Communication", "Shipping time" and "Shipping and handling costs". So you can still give a seller a positive score, but ding him on the accuracy of his description.



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Bus Driver

06-13-2007 09:59:05




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Off the subject of the original post, but something to watch for. A fellow on "ePay" has been selling VHS videos from "his late son's collection" for 3 years now. The description is always the same. "Plain white sleeve" A whole collection and no original sleeves with artwork? Give me a break! The negs for him- and he blasts back at such- typically mention poor tape quality. I think he is making and selling duplicated tapes.

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Don-Wi

06-15-2007 01:55:44




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to Bus Driver, 06-13-2007 09:59:05  
just for kicks I looked on ebay and found this guy- sounds like the one you're talking about.... He blasts back at anybody who says anything against him, he just can't leave anything alone. No way would I want to take a chance with him...

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Don-Wi

06-15-2007 01:56:29




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to Don-Wi, 06-15-2007 01:55:44  
link didn't post....http://myworld.ebay.com/1.99*cents/

Donovan from Wisconsin



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TomTX

06-13-2007 04:55:26




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
You could have gotten a new tool for only $65 more (229 - 164) from a reputable source, with a warranty. That is easily worth $65. I would blast him in the feedback. 1. He did not identify the tool as a reconditioned. 2. Would not answer emails. You will only be telling the truth ans others need to know how he operates. Tom



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Mike M

06-13-2007 04:39:18




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
With all the scams and crooks on ebay your lucky you even got it shipped,and it even works ! Leave good feedback ,but put a comment about the recon part for others to read.



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RustyFarmall

06-13-2007 07:34:29




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to Mike M, 06-13-2007 04:39:18  
Mike M, I agree. Negative feedback can come back to haunt you, even when the recipient deserved it. A better option is to leave positive feedback, but make note of the deceptiveness of the deal.



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PaulW_NJ

06-12-2007 18:46:30




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Thanks for all of your thoughts and advice. They were all very helpful. As suggested I did find a number of reconditioned tool prices, and they were still higher than what I paid. In fact at several locations a reconditioned model was only $10 less than the Amazon price for a new one, with Amazon in turn being $50-70 cheaper than a new one anywhere else. So when all is said and done, I suppose I did get an acceptible deal. I guess what was strangest about the whole thing is that if the seller was "less honest", he would never have left the reconditioned tool label on the handle in the first place. I mean, what was with that anyway?? . . . it is easy enough to peel off. If he had, I"d have thought I got a really nice tool at a good price. But then why didn"t he state it was reconditioned in the description? Strange. He already left a favorable response for me (I paid in 1 hour). I think the only fair thing for me to do is not leave any response, just as he never replied to my questions, peel off and throw away the label, and forget the whole thing. He did pack it up very nicely in the original box. Could have been much worse.

Again thanks for all of your help, and to you scottnj for the encouragement and for taking the time to type out hints for using the tool.

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Davis In SC

06-12-2007 22:13:59




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 18:46:30  
I guess I would be a slight bit upset, about the "Reconditioned" bit, but as long as the tool looks new, and works well, I would not get too angry.. I think I would email the seller, and let him/her know that I was not totally pleased.. Perhaps leave no feedback, or a Neutral, at best...



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Unclemerl

06-12-2007 18:34:36




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Paul

If it works and was the one pictured, Who cares if it was reconditioned. I buy a lot of tools on ebay and have been stuck only once and the person recieved a Negative feedback. When you leave your feedback state only ther facts and let everyone draw thier own conclusion.

Good luck and happy bidding
Merle



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Bob

06-12-2007 18:24:10




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
You have 90 days from the SECOND the auction ended to leave feedback.

An OPTION is to wait 89 days, 23 hours, and 55 seconds, then leave whatever feedback you feel is appropriate.

He will have NO time to retaliate. A bit NASTY, perhaps, but EFFECTIVE.



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Bus Driver

06-13-2007 04:22:35




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to Bob, 06-12-2007 18:24:10  
Not exactly, Bob. The thing stays open for feedback posting for 90 days after the first feedback is posted. I did exactly as you suggested with one seller who badly misrepresented his item in the listing and I vastly overpaid based on the real value as a result. No answer to my emails. So I posted neg for him on the last day, last hour. A week later he zinged me with a neg and false comment.



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Bus Driver

06-12-2007 17:28:26




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Has the seller left feedback for you? If not, he has an opportunity to neg. you if you leave neutral. I had two sellers pour on the lies about me in feedback. You can look at his feedbacks and those he has left for others to develop a feel for the type person he is. I suspect that no grandfather was ever involved. But if the tool works as expected, you got a good buy. If so, be happy and just enjoy it. One of your choices is to not post any feedback at all.

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MJF

06-12-2007 16:42:49




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
I'd leave neutral feedback since it is as stated but he has very poor communication and he should have stated that it was a reman.



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Stan in Oly, WA

06-12-2007 13:58:11




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Hi Paul,

You're getting very good advice on the specifics of your situation so I'll limit my remarks to general issues about eBay.

Reading the comments that go along with an individual's feedback, I've noticed that sellers who have received negative feedback often complain that the dissatisfied buyer didn't give them a chance to correct the situation first. If you have trouble getting satisfaction from this seller (in the somewhat unlikely event that the transaction doesn't turn out to be acceptable as it now stands) you'll want to estimate how much this person might wish to avoid negative feedback from you. His number of transactions is only part of the story. What makes more difference is how many of the transactions are sales because only the sales indicate how he has previously handled problems in the same situation you're in with him, and the number of sales he has made will give you a way to estimate how important a high positive feedback score might be to him. Sellers who sell thousands of items on eBay won't be hurt so much numerically by a negative feedback, and those who sell few items might find it easier than serious sellers to drop eBay altogether in response to negative publicity.

Negative feedback is never going to be totally avoidable as long as unreasonable people buy things on eBay. I often feel sorry for a seller with a high number of transactions who complains that he or she wasn't given an opportunity to correct a problem, or that it was impossible to satisfy the buyer, in response to negative feedback from a buyer with a very low number of transactions. The negative feedback that sets off my personal alarm bells is when there is a pattern to the complaints: Seller wouldn't respond to buyers' e-mails; seller very slow to ship items; goods exhibit damage which was concealed in photos; seller misrepresented condition of goods, etc.

I predict you'll wind up feeling okay about this transaction.

All the best, Stan

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feed back king

06-12-2007 13:53:53




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
While true the tool I purchased from this seller appeared to have no usage, it did have a bright orange sticker with the words "Reconditioned Tool"

The Sellers Grandfather appears to be a collector of reconditioned tools.

Hopefully the Sellers Grandmother will give her Grandson a little spank on the rear-end before their next auction.



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oldrustycars

06-12-2007 13:52:42




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Welcome to eBay. I bet there is no grandfather, just a guy with a pile of "reconditioned" tools. The trick is in the "appears" to have no use...he didn't say it was new. I would have asked, but I've been ebaying for 8 years. Myself, I'd leave a Neutral feedback, saying "reconditioned tool, not mentioned in ad", maybe that'll help the next guys...unless he's willing to make you happy this time.



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Scottnj

06-12-2007 13:39:05




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Paul,

I've used EBAY for about 8 years now. Something like this has happened a few times to me. I'd review the pics to ensure the sticker is not legible in the add first. If it's not, I'd ask the guy for the difference in what you paid and what a reconditioned one costs, saying that you really don't want to leave negative F/B, and this will make the deal more fair".

As to the tool you purchased - Nice tool! I went back and forth years ago trying to decide if I should buy it or the "paint shaver" made by another company. Bought the PC, and it did a good job for me. Pulled all the paint of the exterior of my 1902 victorian. Have used it for hundreds of hours without any problems. Even dropped it a few times. Now I use it occasionally to rough shape wood in my business as a custom cabinetmaker. One, or a few tips - Keep the tool moving, or the paint will glaze onto the disc. It will still glaze when you keep it moving, but not nearly as much. Heat is the enemy. Keep a little lacquer thinner or paint remover in a coffee can to soak discs in for a while to help picking off the glaze from the used discs go easier. You'll need goggles, respirator (the paper masks don't keep the stuff out) and hearing protection. If you have any signigficant amount to do, you'll want more discs. They're a bit pricy at about $7 each, but last a long time. I know the aggragate on the discs is tungstun carbide, but keep it away from nail heads or paint removal performance drops pretty fast.

Enjoy

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dhermesc

06-12-2007 13:37:25




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
There is nothing that says his grandfather didn't buy the unit "reconditioned" so his story "could" be true.

But that does not excuse him from accurately describing the item.



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bjr

06-12-2007 13:09:07




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 I bought a refurb. chop saw in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
I picked up a Dewalt refurbished chop saw 3 yrs. ago from Harbor Freight and it's been a real good unit. It had inspection stickers all over it and as I remember it had a decent warranty also. My point being that a refurb. unit may be a good purchase. In your case the seller should have indicated refurbed, but, I'll bet you'll be okay with your purchase. bjr



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dds-inc

06-12-2007 12:00:04




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Like the man said, if you paid more than the reconditioned cost, then yeah, you have a right to dispute this. (not to mention that it doesn't say "reconditioned" anywhere in the ebay description- a big mistake on the seller's part.)

HOWEVER, if the reconditioned price is more than what you paid, then I would just give him positive feedback to escape the retaliatory neg. feedback. (been there, done that)

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souNdguy

06-12-2007 11:23:20




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to PaulW_NJ, 06-12-2007 11:06:33  
Find out what they sell for reconditioned.. see if you still got a 'deal'. many places will sell reconditioned tools.. Can be anything from a plain return.. or a defective return which was repaired. Defects can be cosmetic or mechanical.

If you paid more than a recon cost.. see if the seller will at least match the recon price.. go from there..

Soundguy



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INCase

06-12-2007 12:44:24




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 Re: Ebay Feedback . . . what would you do? in reply to souNdguy, 06-12-2007 11:23:20  
some reconditioned tools are actually better as they went thru the factory 2 times. This depends ALOT on the company. I know this IS true for Bosch power tools. Can"t speak for the other brands. Has the seller given you feedback yet? Some sellers do a very poor job at selling both from a $ buisness sence as well as customer servise. I"ve had several repeat buyers. You can treat it like a flea-market or a buisness. you"ll get out what you put in. AND as always (sorry even here too) buyer beware. Good luck

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