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air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor?

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dds-inc

05-30-2007 20:57:04




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I know NOTHING about air dryers for compressors. What do you do, plumb them in the line and plug them in to a wall outlet? Or is it just a manifold of some sort with an air drain? What do they cost for a compressor that is 80 gallons and 19.2 cfm?

I AM SO SICK of the stupid air line filters leaking and they don't stop half of the water from &%&%& plugging the sandblaster anyway!!!

thx in advance

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john_bud

05-31-2007 20:45:35




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
I know how you feel. My system is 7 hp 240V single phase one stage. It was pumping out a TON of water. Yuck. I put lots and lots of drops and still had the problems.

I have a 4 stage plan to fix it on the cheap.

Step 1 - I got an old propane 40# cylinder and emptied it out, blew it out, then painted it inside and out. Got a 4way 3/4" connection and put it on to the tank. Mounted the tank upside down (4way on the bottom). I added a 3/8" elbow with a 12" stub on it going up into the center of the tank. That's the air out. The air in just blows into the 4 way. The lowest part of the 4 way is a ball valve. This is on my line used for painting and blasting. It's about 55' of line from the compressor and works pretty good. Other parts of the system still had issues.

Step 2 - Added an extra 80 gal tank. Was given an old industrial well pressure bladder tank. Cut holes in the top for air in and air out. The in has a 3/4" elbow to a 12" stub that directs the air to the side of the tank. Hopefully, it swirls the air across the tank, cools it, expands it and drops out the moisture. The air out is a 3/4" coupler to a 10" stub that is in the dead center of the tank. Bottom of the tank has a ball valve for draining water. (Yes, the rubber bladder was cut so water can get out!)

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On the left is the main 7 hp compressor with a black 60 gal tank. The blue tank is in the middle and estimated at 80 gal. On the right is a 3 hp 110v compressor that had it's tank rust out. It is mounted without a tank, bolted to the table. It's air goes to the blue tank via a T. It's only used when lots of air is needed, typically for sand blasting.

Step 3 - build a cooler separator to put on the output from the compressor, before it dumps into the tank. 2 pieces of 18" long 2" pipe, 1 T, 3 caps 2", two 3/8" couplers, 1 3/8" elbow, 1 3/8" MPT to 3/8 compression fitting and 1 6" 3/8" stub. The T is in the middle and is the air in port. The air comes in thru the cap which was drilled and had a fitting welded to it. See picture of the modified T. The air goes in and down to the bottom where it expands, cools and dumps moisture. There is a cap on the bottom with a drilled hole for a 3/8" pipe with ball valve for water out. The air goes up and out the top then into the air compressors original storage tank. Hopefully a bit cooler and dryer. This set up should work well, but will heat fast with a 1 stage compressor.

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Step 4 - add active cooling with a radiator and fan after the compressor and before the Step 3 water separator. A/C condensor with a fan wired into the compressors pressure switch.

In my quest for cheap dry air, I am done with steps 1 and 2. The gizmo for step 3 is made and needs to be mounted to the tank and plumbed in. The improvement from adding the extra tank was tremendous and that has taken away much of my motivation for steps 3 and 4.

jb

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XRogerX

06-01-2007 09:51:29




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to john_bud, 05-31-2007 20:45:35  
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that blue tank.



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fzbcheve

05-31-2007 19:54:37




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
We use an automotive AC evaperator core, with a small fan blowing through the core fins. This is in series with the air line to the sand blaster cabinet. The core is thick enough that it can be tapped for pipe fittings and a drain. Been using this for years, and get no moisture in the sand blaster cabinet



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CNKS

05-31-2007 18:09:09




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
My regulator/drop is 90 feet away from my compressor and includes a $130 Steath "filter". I get 0 water out of the line when I paint or sandblast, thus you do not need a sophisticated system. The distance from the compressor to where you are using the air is more important.



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Midwest redneck

05-31-2007 12:40:41




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
I think a small refridgerated air dryer is some where around $400-500. 110VAC. look it up at Grainger or a local air systems dist.



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Midwest redneck

05-31-2007 12:40:34




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
I think a small refridgerated air dryer is some where around $400-500. 110VAC. look it up at Grainger or a local air systems dist.



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Don c

05-31-2007 10:59:41




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
Go to TP tools & eq. everything you will need to know.



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circus

05-31-2007 09:55:40




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
There's no need for a dryer. Think plumbing that's slow, cool, with no dips. For that size compressor 30 ft of 1" pipe designed to drain condensed water back into the compressor and forward into a trap should work fine.



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glennster

05-31-2007 05:52:45




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
i have a camair deliquescent dryer here in our shop. we run 2 120 gallon champion 3 ph compressors. it has prefilters and the drying chamber. will purge moisture from the pre filter chambers as necessary. there is a moisture indicator that tells you when to regenerate. these have been around a long time and are pretty good units. you cna pick up a used one pretty cheap now, we bought a spare one couple months ago for $150.00. i picked up a refrigerated dryer a couple years ago from an old school that was being torn down, was used for the compressor on the pneumatic systems for the hvac. here is a pic of the camair
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Rod (NH)

05-31-2007 05:14:39




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to dds-inc, 05-30-2007 20:57:04  
Hi DDS,

There are three basic types of commercial air driers; refrigerated, dessicant and deliquesent. They are all plumbed into the distribution line. Some require electricity and some do not. A "filter" is not a drier in any conventional sense, despite marketing claims to the contrary. A refrigerated drier uses a conventional refrigerator circuit to chill the passing air and force moisture to be condensed, collected and then removed from the system. The dessicant style uses a salt-type of chemical that removes moisture by chemical action. The chemical gets consumed in the process and needs to be replaced periodically. The deliquescent type uses a chemical also but it doesn't get consumed in the process. That chemical gets "regenerated" periodically by heating (usually by electricity) to remove the collected moisture, which is expelled from the system during the regeneration process. I don't have current cost estimates for these type of driers but you can probably check out typical costs on-line. The dessicant would be the cheapest, with the lowest performance and require periodic maintenance. The deliquescent will be expensive and have the best performance. It will usually not be necessary for home shops unless there is a specific need for extremely low air dewpoints (which is unlikely). The refrigerated type is not exactly cheap but works well, requires essentially no maintenance (it's basically a refrigerator) and should be satisfactory for all "normal" uses of compressed air. It's certainly the type I would choose should I want to add a dedicated drier to my own system.

You don't indicate whether your compressor is single or two stage. Single stage compressors will always require more attention to moisture removal, by their operational nature. Air-cooled aftercoolers can be used to advantage on either single or two stage machines and are sometimes provided as OEM options for the better two stage units. Those are nothing more than a radiator that the compressed air passes through. They utilize atmospheric air blowing across the radiator as the cooling medium. There are water-cooled aftercoolers also. They are more efficient than the air cooled ones but require a continuous supply of cooling water. They are generally not used in a home shop for that reason.

Baiscally, anything you can cobble together that cools the air, collects the condensed moisture and provides a convenient means of removing the resulting condensate from the system will work, at least to some limited extent. Even long runs of metallic piping upstream of any pressure regulator can be utilized to advantage. The most positive result, however, is obtained with a dedicated commercial air drier unit.

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Rod (NH)

05-31-2007 06:26:31




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to Rod (NH), 05-31-2007 05:14:39  
Please switch the references to deliquescent and dessicant driers in my above post. I inadvertently transposed the designations.



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glennster

05-31-2007 08:08:53




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 Re: air dryers for 7hp 80 gal. air compressor? in reply to Rod (NH), 05-31-2007 06:26:31  
change mine too, i read your post, didnt know there were two types, so used your description with my camair. our media will last a year or so, we run the heater on it at least once a week to dry the media, more often when its humid.



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