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circus

05-24-2007 10:41:48




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Here's a tip to save electricity operating a two stage air compressor. Install another pressure switch at a lower pressure and a two way switch. 99% of the time you only need 120# but if you need more just flick the switch. The lights stop flickering too. Follow the codes for your situation.




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circus

05-26-2007 22:59:08




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
Like most things life it's not so simple. I found AC motors are very inefficient until their 100% capacity is reached. The erroneous clamp meter readings were caused by a faulty capacitor connection. The savings are in question.



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MarkB_MI

05-27-2007 04:20:04




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-26-2007 22:59:08  
Unless you know the power factor at the different loads, you really can't compare the currents at those loads and translate them into power. As you've seen, more or less current doesn't necessarily mean more or less power. When your run capacitor was disconnected, your motor was probably producing LESS power, while consuming MORE current, than it does with the capacitor fixed.

I think your original premise was correct, even if your numbers were not. As for ac motors being inefficient at low loads, that's not really true. Obviously it doesn't make sense to use a 10 hp motor to drive a 1/2 hp load, but the losses are not that great. Putting a lot of oversize induction motors on a circuit is going to drive down the power factor, which will cause volt-amps to go up. But you pay for power, not volt-amps.

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Joe(TX)

05-26-2007 05:45:31




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
You are not saving anything. You are still running the same motor.
The motor will runn for a shorter time with the lower pressure but will run more often.



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DARDAN

05-25-2007 21:59:09




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
Isn't ONE start-up peak enough to establish demand?



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Rod (NH)

05-26-2007 04:46:01




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to DARDAN, 05-25-2007 21:59:09  
No. A typical demard charge provision in a utility contract establishes the charge based on the highest average demands in any 15 minute interval during peak, off-peak and shoulder periods in any 24 hours. Motor starting currents are short enough in duration to be unlikely to appreciably alter that average. Most homes and home shops would not be subject to any demand charge anyway - usually it's only the larger industrial customers. In any event, the specifics of the actual utility contract should be reviewed if demand charges are applicable.

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Bob

05-24-2007 22:07:51




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
I'll be you can just about afford to retire on the savings!



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Charles (in GA)

05-25-2007 02:16:58




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to Bob, 05-24-2007 22:07:51  
My thoughts exactly, after having spent money on a pressure switch, fittings, etc.

Charles



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Charles (in GA)

05-24-2007 19:41:45




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
Fact is, using a specific Volume of air from a compressor takes a specific amount of electricity to replace it. Doesn't matter if you do it in short cycles of lower pressure, or longer cycles of higher pressure, its the same amount of energy required to create this specific volume of air. The ONLY difference is the fewer starts using the longer cycles of higher pressure, and this is where you save. As I noted, fewer high current inrushes (which do contribute to slightly higher electric consumption, so fewer is good), and fewer cycles on the unit. No different that accumulating 100K of milage on a car 5 miles at a time in the city vs 100 miles at a time on the highway. The car will last longer, and be in better shape with less maintenance if driven on the highway.

The volume of air I refer to is SCFM or standard cubic feet per minute of air. This maeans a cubic foor of UNPRESSURIZED air.

Your compressor is rather unusual in its amp draw. I have run mine with an clamp on amp meter on it and usually see no more than one amp of increase with pressure. Mines a 7.5 hp that draws about 32 amps. You must be running a ten hp or better unit.

Charles

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MarkB_MI

05-26-2007 04:29:34




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to Charles (in GA), 05-24-2007 19:41:45  
Charles,

It most certainly requires more energy to raise the tank pressure to a higher pressure. A lot of the energy is converted into heat, which is subsequently radiated through the tank wall and lost. So the most efficient way to operate an air compressor is to raise the pressure no higher than required to maintain regulated pressure.

True, your compressor draws a lot of current at startup, but that current spike does not necessarily translate to a lot of energy. Even assuming that current=power (it doesn't, by the way), a one-second startup would only consume a small percentage of the power in a two-minute run.

Whether or not you would save any significant money by running your compressor at a lower pressure is hard to say, but it makes no sense to operate the compressor at a higher pressure than is required. Higher pressure means more heat, and heat is what will kill your compressor.

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Rod (NH)

05-26-2007 05:07:06




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to MarkB_MI, 05-26-2007 04:29:34  
I agree. The HP/CFM of any reciprocating compressor is directly proportional to the working compression ratio. That ratio increases as the discharge pressure increases. So operating at a higher pressure than actually needed to achieve the rated pressure at the tool is wasteful of energy.

Line losses and tool working efficiencies however are two reasons why setting the cutout pressure down to 120 psig might not be a great idea. But it depends on the actual installation, usage profile and acceptability of tools working at a lower performance than they are capable of. Grinders and sanders are particularly dependent on throttle pressures for good performance. For most home shops, I doubt the savings would be significant enough to warrant the costs in money and time to install the switches. You might not even be able to even notice the savings as they would likely be low enough to get lost in the normal variability of a home electric bill. Now if you were to install a KWH meter on just the compressor (additional $$$) you could eventually determine how much money you are saving (or already lost).

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jeffcat

05-24-2007 19:33:51




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
Actually the best way is to have a pump with unloaders in the heads. If you are going to do a lot of work you open the little valve to the unloader and the motor runs all of the time with the pump turnnig itself on and off as the pressure goes up or down. My Emglo is set up that way. Neat little system.



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Steve A W

05-24-2007 19:31:36




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
It will also make your compressor last longer.
Less presure means less heat!



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cannonball

05-25-2007 05:11:51




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to Steve A W, 05-24-2007 19:31:36  
Wrong sometimes the heat is need to dry out the moisture in the oil..compressors that run a little can give you problems, more so that those that run a lot..


MAY GOD BLESS THE USA



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circus

05-24-2007 17:40:37




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
When your finished there are two pressure switches set at different pressures installed in which to choose using the two way switch.



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Charles (in GA)

05-24-2007 14:48:10




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 10:41:48  
Sorry but I don't understand. I have a regulator on my two stage set to 100 psi, I always use 100 psi and the compressor cycles very infrequently. I can remove all four wheels on my car and reinstall them with the impact before the compressor will cycle, if then. Setting the pressure down to 120 psi means that the compressor will cycle quite frequently, and not run as long. Starting up is the hardest thing a compressor does. That huge inrush of current and everything suddenly going from "zero to sixty" in a split second flat. If you somehow used less current with a low pressure compressor (single stage) then two stages would not be popular or used very much. efficiency is where the two stage shines.

Charles

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circus

05-24-2007 17:27:12




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to Charles (in GA), 05-24-2007 14:48:10  
I just checked it with a clamp meter. My compressor uses 40 amps at 120# and 45 amps at 180#. Same speed same displacement same cycle time same two stage efficiency. If I need it, the same 180# punch.



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markiz41

05-24-2007 18:55:34




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to circus, 05-24-2007 17:27:12  
Yeah, but the 180# will make the reserve last longer, therefore saving your electric bill :) Probably the only way to really save is to run continiously during high demand. Charles is right, the bulk of the amps comes during start up and electric companies sometimes penalise you for high amp draw with higher rates.



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Gary Schafer

05-25-2007 20:08:38




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to markiz41, 05-24-2007 18:55:34  
Even though you may have a longer reserve with higher pressure, pumping to a higher pressure requires more energy than pumping to a lower pressure. If more current is drawn at the higher pressure as was measured, then more energy is being used. Efficiency drops as pressure is increased. This is evidenced by the higher heat generated in the system. Heat is lost energy.

Although startup current can be quite high, the duration is very short and little extra energy is consumed during startup. Unless you are paying for peak demand current startup peaks make little difference in power cost.

Regards
Gary

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markiz41

05-26-2007 05:55:57




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 Re: save electricity with compressor in reply to Gary Schafer, 05-25-2007 20:08:38  
I agree that pumping to a lower pressure is the way to go if you can and it will save money. But circus needs the 180 every now and then, so the formula for savings won't be that simple.



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