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Small Utility Pump?

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Aaron Ford

05-23-2007 19:27:17




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I am looking for a small pump to power an idea I have. We live on the north side of a hill and the only place to erect the kids inflatable pool is behind the house. Last year it never got above 70 degrees even when it was over 100 out. I got to thinking that if a fella were to mount a copper coil to the top of the A/C unit and pass the pool water through it, it would heat it.

So basically I need a ~60 gph pump that is 6 foot capable. GFI would be nice. Nothing fancy, no submersible, just a 3/8 inlet and outlet. I'll even prime it...

Please do not worry about the electrical hazards as all power has to be off before the kids are allowed in it. Got 'em scared stiff on this one. Tee hee.

A second use of pumping washer fluid into tires would be nice...

Aaron

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dlplost

05-24-2007 07:57:02




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
Got a filter on the Pool? - you allready got the pump.
Put a "T" in the return line from the pool filter. Part of your flow will go directly back to the pool, the rest will run out thru youre heater then run it directly back into the pool.
For a heater we used 1,000 feet of 3/4" black plastic pipe layed out on the ground. The return water comes out about 140-160 deg depending on the sun. Neat thing is you can control the pool temp by the timing of just when and for how long you run the filter. If the pool gets too hot, you just run the filter at night to cool the water. After the pipe has been on the ground for a while it will lay flat in the grass and you can just raise the mower a little and mow right over it. We had ours set up like that for about 10 years, and only hit it with the mower 2 times. Forgot to raise the mower both times..

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big fred

05-24-2007 07:21:03




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
If you use a fountain or garden pond pump, keep in mind that most of those are submersible, and many of them rely on being submerged to keep them cool. They are not intended for non-submerged operation.



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Coloken

05-24-2007 05:31:57




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
Harbor freight has several at a cheap price. Pool sellers have a pump to pump through a filter. Hot water furnace pump....



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Nick in MI

05-24-2007 04:54:52




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
Aaron, Go the the pool store and get a solar heating panel. Paint all the support piping black. works well here.

Nick



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Swampy (from Tales)

05-24-2007 03:42:26




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
My son uses a small geyser sump pump and 100' of black hose up on the roof of his house. After he got the flow regulated it worked out pretty good.



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T_Bone

05-24-2007 00:02:52




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
Hi Aaron,

A real effiecent solar hot water heater can be made very easy. Use metal framing track (The kind used for metal studs) and make a 4ft x 8ft box then line that with foil backed rigid insulation on the back and frame side rails, paint that black, then install the collector area with auto/truck radiators then seal the top with a piece of clear polycarbinate sheeting (this traps the suns rays).

A small pump with a differential controller (about $125 with temp probes) works best but a slowing moving (low gpm) pump could also be used. You can also use a 12v RV pump, 3gpm, about $55, 12v lawn & garden battery $16, 2a charger $17. The 12v pump will need replaced every season as it can't handle the hot water very well.

When the the collector reachs a 4� temperature diffrential then it turns on the pump and shuts off the pump at 0� difference.

This collector at 60� abmient with 65� water inlet will produce 80gal of 180� in 2hrs with automatic controls. You would need a divertor plate inside the pool where the collector discharges so it can NOT cause severe burns or shut the valves off while there's someone in the pool. 140� water will causes the skin to blister.

Remember heat rises so locate your colloctor accordingly.

Don't mess with your AC condensors air flow because you won't be happy with the results.

T_Bone

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circus

05-23-2007 20:45:11




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 Re: Small Utility Pump? in reply to Aaron Ford, 05-23-2007 19:27:17  
A low voltage fountain pump from any garden center would work. Too bad the compressor is with the condenser because dunking the condener in the pool sure would lower your cooling bill.



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